Jen:
Sarah, welcome to the MomSafe Movement podcast. How are you?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Training:
I'm good. Thank you. Yeah.
Jen:
Good, good,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Training:
It's
Jen:
good.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Training:
raining here in Sydney, so it's been a bit crazy.
Jen:
It's not rainy here. I will show
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Training:
I know.
Jen:
you my outdoors. It's bright sunshine, but
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Training:
So well that was us yesterday so.
Jen:
Yeah, nice. Nice, nice, nice. Let's get stuck straight in this podcast is a little bit different in that we're doing a two part podcast talking to yourself to begin with. And then we've got the lovely Jodie, who's another one of our Mumsafe trainers coming in halfway through. So we're going to do a little handover. So let's start with you the way that we start with everybody, share with us a word to share how you're showing up also a win and also something you've been working on.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Okay, so my word is rushed. Because
Jen:
Rushed?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
the
Jen:
Okay.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
rain threw everything in for a loop and I had to throw my classes onto Zoom and run around like a crazy person. But.
Jen:
You know, just on that for a second, before COVID, nobody used to put their stuff on Zoom. We just fucking
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
No.
Jen:
got wet outside. Like, that's
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
or
Jen:
what
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
canceling
Jen:
happened.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
or canceling my class. So either or when
Jen:
I never
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
you've got
Jen:
canceled
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
babies,
Jen:
anything
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
you kind of have
Jen:
ever.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
to.
Jen:
I, no, I never ever, I can put my
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
It makes
Jen:
hand on
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
you
Jen:
my
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
want
Jen:
heart
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
to sing
Jen:
and say
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
anyway.
Jen:
I never ever canceled a session when I was working, like when I was a PT, like
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
That's
Jen:
literally
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
good.
Jen:
never. So long as the babies were dry, we could get
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
so wet. I used to have one of those, you know those tents, like a little four by two by two
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Oh,
Jen:
tent
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah,
Jen:
or a four by four tent and the babies
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah.
Jen:
would go in that when it was wet. And that's if we didn't have an undercover area and mom would just get wet. And that was it.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
I think try, yeah, anyway.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
there you go. Well, we were going to do the undercover, because it is an undercover area. But one of the girls showed up early, luckily, and all the PWSA kids were there for sport. And they were all huddled under the undercover area. So yeah. I did it. Ha
Jen:
Oh, kick them out. They're kids. Like kick them out. OK, so you're feeling a bit rushed. But thank you for being here despite
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
ha
Jen:
that.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
ha.
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Uh, yeah. No, I did. No. No, I did. And when yesterday we took. the kids at a school and had a date with each. And I feel like that's a real big win because today is crap weather. I guess we was 29. So just having some time out as a family and we've had some stuff going on. So yeah, it was
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
good to have that.
Jen:
Awesome.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
And working on right now, term four enrollment, just confirming my clients for next term and being in that mode of asking. And then we'll roll into. um, getting new clients, maybe if I have spots. So
Jen:
Yep,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah.
Jen:
amazing. Cool. I just wanna pause there for a second. I've written the time code down. There's a lot of noise, like whether it's people speaking or someone's shouting. Is that something you can hear in your background?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
No. Let me close this door
Jen:
There's
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and
Jen:
no
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
see
Jen:
one there? TV?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
if that looks like a dog. No, I don't have any.
Jen:
Really?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Is that better if I close the door? There's nobody here in my house. Oh, that's my dog. Now you're frozen.
Jen:
I frozen?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
No, no you're not. Can you hear my dog barking?
Jen:
Okay, cool. I can hear the dog now, yeah. Can the dog come in?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
No. Oh, she's not out. Go out. I need to get some cash for my headphones obviously. Is it my earring on my earphone?
Jen:
No, it was definitely like children or a TV.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Ah.
Jen:
And the only other thing about your headphones are a little bit in and out in terms of, they're a little bit, you know when you get that digital noise?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, is that better?
Jen:
I think so, yep. Yep, cool. That's okay. All right. No, no, you're fine. Cause I just write the time code down and then the editor will just cut this little bit out. So it's fine. So we're gonna go back in at about four. What did we just finish saying? Oh, term four, getting ready for term
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
four.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
turn four.
Jen:
Cool.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
Okay, cool. I'll start a different line of conversation. All right. So the reason I wanted to invite you onto the podcast today, Sarah, was I think you listened to the episode we did with Molly in episode 16, Molly Goldbraith, and we were really talking about, or part of the conversation was really around collaborating with other women and moving into a space where we feel like we can do that. And I know that that's often tricky for some people, or for all of us, it starts off as being tricky. So... Tell us a little bit about experiences that you've had in your world as a personal trainer that, or as you moving through the world. Actually, no, let's stop. I've done this wrong. So five, 19. Okay, now we're coming back in at five, 24. Okay, so you're getting ready for term four. Sarah, tell us a little bit about where you're located in the world and what your business your business name and what you do.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, so I'm based in Sydney in the Hills District in Kellyville in the Ponds, which is about an hour outside of the city. And I run my own business called Interlife Personal Training. Have been running it for about over 13 years. And started it, I guess, because when I had kids, I wanted to have more flexibility and be able to make my own hours, really. So
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I think I started actually just before I had kids. Because I was speaking with some other groups and they wanted me to start training them. I had been in an Abacus gym and I was like, if you can get me five moms, I will start a class. And that's kind of how it started.
Jen:
I love it. I love
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
And
Jen:
it.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
then,
Jen:
We
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah,
Jen:
just need
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
so
Jen:
a
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
that
Jen:
little
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
was just how it
Jen:
tribe.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
all started.
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, yeah. And I still train one of them today. which was pretty cool. And they saw me through my first pregnancy.
Jen:
Amazing. I love that.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
Fantastic.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah.
Jen:
Sarah, one of the reasons I wanted to bring you onto the podcast today was in episode 16, we were talking to Molly Goldbraith and one of the key messages or the key considerations in there is how it can be quite hard for women to collaborate with other women. And we see, you know, quite a lot of trainers come into MomSafe and go, oh, it's really different in here. So to kind of set the stage, tell us. a little bit about your experiences of other women. And I know you've spent a lot of time both in the fitness industry, but also in the sports space. So what was your experience with other women?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I guess starting before I was a personal trainer with the sports space side of things, you're always competing and I think even comparing as well. And I started training in the gym when I was 16, 17, so that would be better at athletics. And you're always comparing and trying to find a spot. And I guess getting into the fitness industry in that, I've always found that I know I found my head states really hard in the sense that I was comparing myself to other girls in the gym and their fitness levels.
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
And then that then turned into comparing myself with other girls and what they looked like, not just fitness and what they could do for sports. So I think that foundation of not being secure in myself and not being secure in who I was and what I could offer, whether that was sport or in the world going into the workforce. and then going into personal training. Playing a big role in trusting other people, especially starting your own business. Working on the gym floor was one thing. When I worked in the gym, I guess go back a couple of years before I started my own business, and it's like, oh, I have to get that client before they leave because they walk the gym floor and pick
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
up clients and things like that in the gym. And so I always felt like, well, maybe my program, maybe they're not gonna like it as much. And then, too, you're always competing in that space. I was competing in sports. competing with other girls for attention maybe, and going into personal training, competing with a client. And then you start your own business, and then you're competing with every other personal trainer that's out there. That was my mindset.
Jen:
I'm sorry.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
And going, what do I have to offer? That's different. And
Jen:
Mmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah, that's kind of where I found the basis or foundation of not having the confidence to... but feel comfortable collaborating or even asking for help from other trainers. Yeah.
Jen:
Yeah, I knew you had a couple of shitty experiences with other trainers. Do you want to share those with us?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, so I had a few times where I have asked other trainers to help me out when I was away and found out later that then some of the clients that I was training then started training with those clients, sorry, those trainers and I don't think it was like
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
a specific they've coached my clients but you know there was that opportunity and maybe they were providing a different service than I was and then they went over to train with them but I got really shitty about it because I'm like, these are my clients, I've worked hard for them. They've trained with me, some of them, for like four or five years, and now the training with me, why? And I think it became even, became like a realization that it was because I wasn't confident in what I was providing as a service, and then
Jen:
Hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
taking it really personally. And I think as I've grown as a trainer and in my own business as well, sometimes, clients are going to outgrow what you provide or they're not going to get what they need out of what you provide anymore. And that's okay because I provided each market towards women and moms and women who don't necessarily want to thrash their bodies to the point of being sore for a whole week. I was laughing because of your post. I hate your story because of your ass.
Jen:
Oh my God. I feel so stupid, like, for backstory for anyone listening that is not following me on Instagram stories. I've been training in my garage gym for a while because we moved and I finally got out. I was like, I need to meet some more people. I need to go somewhere. So I joined a CrossFit gym and I know, I know all the stuff you should and shouldn't do. And I've also did a very similar thing after having Marley. And to be completely honest, I don't train a lot of flexion. Like I don't put sit-ups in my normal workout. Anyway, this workout on Monday had a lot of sit-ups and I have been struggling to stand up straight. It's now Friday for a week. And you know, also there was a new mom in that class and I was like, oh my goodness. But I mean, like all of us in this pre and postnatal space, when you choose to train in somebody else's environment, you put your blinkers on. It's not my environment. If someone asks me a question, I'll roll with it. But holy fuck. I have not had that level of soreness through my abdominal wall. Like my rectus was just literally fatter than it normally is. Like my stomach looked like it's like, it was awful. It still is awful. Anyway, carry on. Sarah doesn't train you like that so you don't need to be scared everybody.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
my clients or they need to do this but that was yeah so I offer different service and if they don't want that then they're gonna go somewhere else which is fine and I've come to the point where I'm like and this was before I even joined the mom's day space that
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I yeah realized it's okay I know how I train and that the service owner provides for certain clients and that's who I'm gonna focus on and not take offense to someone who might go to another trainer because trainers everywhere. And not being intimidated by that, where, yeah, the other experiences did really, I guess, tarnish my view of working with other trainers.
Jen:
Yeah, it really is that scarcity versus abundance mindset, isn't it? Because, you know, regardless of the trainer's intention, if your knowledge in yourself is that you're or your not knowledge, not strength.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
the week.
Jen:
Belief, that is the word. Your belief in yourself is one that you're good at what you do and that more people will come and that there are plenty of people out there that need your
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
work. You can happily let go of people when they choose to leave. Not to not say it doesn't feel shit when it feels like someone's come in to help you and then has backhanded and kind of pull people
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
out. And even not had a conversation, like I don't know if there was a conversation in that where they said, look, this is the situation, this is what's happened. How do you feel about that? Because that adds another angle to it as well. Did they do that
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Totally.
Jen:
or not really?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, and I know they didn't and I think that was the thing I found out I found out I don't even think it was social media Social media was a big back then
Jen:
Mmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
but um, it was I found out I can't remember doesn't matter but Then I felt like well, I want to tell the clients that I know so they don't they don't feel awkward You know like because they
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
were still training with me as well, but they were going to him too. And so
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I think I ended up saying to him, hey, it's all good. I just, it would have appreciated if he had said something to me
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
in the meantime. And, you know, we still work together. Well, we still work together at that stage in the gym for a while. And now he's like offering an awesome business, you know, to kids fitness. And I love what he's doing and love the space
Jen:
There's a collaboration
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
that he's created.
Jen:
for you.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, exactly. So,
Jen:
Well, that's the thing, right? It's when we
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah.
Jen:
start to shift that mindset, it's what is the opportunity in this? And I know there's plenty of Mumsafe team who work with other business coaches or work with other more technical coaches. So if it comes down then, Sarah, to our shift in mindset really, then what anybody else is doing, what started to shift for you?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Well, I think being one, being confident in what I provide as a service
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and what my, what I want to provide as a service. Even when clients come in for a trial with me, I can tell, you know, kind of halfway through the session if they're going to see, yeah, I'm sticking with you or no, it's not my
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
thing. And I remember this client in particular a couple of years ago, she was new baby and this was after I joined Mom's Day team. So I have a lot more knowledge on postnatal. I could tell like she wasn't feeling pushed enough. And so I was like, yeah, cool. You know, you need to kind of take it back a bit. Her little one was only probably three months old. So three months postnatal
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and had come from like, probably F45 or even a prostate background, like very much in high intensity. Let's get it done. Work, work, fresh your bodies maybe. But no offense to anyone that loves doing that stuff. But she,
Jen:
It's fun.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah, she
Jen:
It
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
just
Jen:
is
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
really,
Jen:
fun.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah, yeah. I do that in soccer, I just have a different outlet. I'll put my body in the line and
Jen:
There you
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
it'll
Jen:
go.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
be tough and I'm fine. But yeah, I could tell, like that wasn't, I wasn't what she needed, well,
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
what she wanted. because she wasn't really listening to the cues I gave her and things like that. And at the end of it, I was like, that's fine. You know, I don't need to, I guess appeal to everybody and being confident in that then helped me to then go, be okay with that, you know, and not have that scarcity mindset. Why do you have to like follow her up and keep pounding her because, you know, I want her to join my session
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
knowing that she's gonna find where she is. And I wish that she had, because I know that. she needed those steps to be
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
strong on the inside out, but being okay to let go as well.
Jen:
Yeah, it's hard to let go, isn't it? When you kind of feel like you can see the future or the potential future.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
Yeah,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah,
Jen:
yeah, but
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah.
Jen:
letting go from a mindset and an abundance perspective is a huge step.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yes,
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah. And I think being confident in who I was as a trainer. I'm a confident
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
person, but who I was as a trainer was a big thing. Yeah.
Jen:
Yeah. And then enter, enter into Mumsafe. Tell us about your experience inside because you're in a unique position. We don't have rules on how many people can be in a specific area. And it's like, all the trainers are in the Western suburbs of Sydney. Like there's so many
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Bye.
Jen:
of you guys out there or there's a lot of Mumsafe trainers in your area, right?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, so we have three, well, four of us quite close together. So
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
like Becky, she's in North Kellyville, which is like 10 minutes away from where I am. Lisa's about 20 minutes away from where I am. We all train in different areas, like location-wise. And then, who's Jess? Jess,
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah, Jess is also, but she is literally a five minute drive from my place. but she has a totally different niche market and what she provides for clients in a small group
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
setting and in the home and stuff. So, and I think at first, I remember having, I remember having this conversation in a high chat and I was like, and I just said it, cause I'm like, I think he had suggested like, you know, when you go away, maybe you can get so-and-so to, and it was just an out there. It wasn't specifically for me, but you know, they could cover your class and do them like, how do I know that person's gonna get back to me and then
Jen:
Hehehehe
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
not steal my clients? Like, I just said it out loud because that was my mentality. I just wanted to know like what the guidelines are and then soon came to realize how amazing is it's face-to-face is in terms of, I guess what you've created, Jen. But people share so much, not only just with that helping, if you needed help with, you know, I've got an online class, I'm sick with someone. you know, who's available, who does an i30 online class that my clients are jogging
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
on. And not any getting kickbacks from it or anything like that, but just that sharing and helping out. But even from the point of view of advertising and, hey, guys, can you look at this flyer I put together? And I mean, we're taking time to help out each other. You know, it's not just, I guess, not just, I'm gonna kind of say. the PT side of it as well, like the one-on-one stuff. And it's also
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
that abundant mentality. I think going with John, like, why would you share something you've worked like hours on, like, you know, a profile piece or a ebook? I remember Lawrence had put together that recipe, a recipe
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
book, and he was like, who would have spent hours on that? And then just shared it through camera for everyone to use. And I'm just like, what? Who does that? Great.
Jen:
Hahahaha Do that.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
You know, we do that. And I was like, wow, that's an amazing attitude of giving and knowing that as you, you know, not to give to receive, but that, you know, it's gonna come back on you and that
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
you're gonna be able to help someone and someone else is gonna be able to help you. And that's what I was really looking for in business because I never wanted to, I've always been on my own for 13 years, never really knew what to invest in. And I guess as a small business.
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
wanted to know that what I invested in, whether that's a course or business approach, which I never ended up doing until I found you, because I was so scared
Jen:
Hehehe
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
of investing and not getting back or, you know, where this community
Jen:
Mmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
that you've created is really not only financially investing, but investing time to help other people in the group as well. There's a bigger picture and there's a lot of value in that bigger picture as well. Yeah.
Jen:
Hmm. How does it feel like to be on the, on the flip side
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Great.
Jen:
from the, you know, can't handle collaboration, you know, it's more competition to now going, or do you, well, one, how does it feel? And two, do you ever still feel a little bit like, oh, I'm just not sure. Sometimes does that still come up for you?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Okay, so first question.
Jen:
First question was how does it feel to be more
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
sitting in that open collaboration space? Let's go with that first.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah, really supportive and freeing because I never, I never feel if I'm sharing something that I'm going to be judged. I never feel when I am asking for help that people are going to be like, oh, well, what am I going to get for that? They're just so willing, people are just so willing within Mom's Day to help out and encourage you in what you're going through. And so there is, I guess, that real feeling of being part of something and not being by myself anymore,
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
which is exciting because then big picture, we're helping more women, we're helping more moms. It's not just my 30 that I can help. It's like hundreds. Because I'm helping this person, they're helping their 30, 40, 50 clients and vice versa. So yeah. sharing knowledge and help that opened up my eyes to how much that can expand my business and also
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
expand what we're doing to help women. I think Molly said that really good, like making the table, opening up the table so that it's clear to more people at the table.
Jen:
Absolutely, yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
So.
Jen:
And do you ever feel, whether it's inside MomSafe or in the outside world, do you still ever get those feelings of like, you know, it like either hits you in the stomach or in the chest or that like, oh, if that's happening for that person, then there's not room enough for me. Like I get it sometimes, I know what
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
to do with it now, but I definitely get
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah,
Jen:
it.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I think the comparing thing still happens. Like I'll like pass the class or whatever and go, how do you think it, there's a buggy class. It's not our mom's buggy class, but there's another
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
plan class. And it always scares me when it's raining because they come to my space. Well, normally they're not in my space. My space.
Jen:
That's tricky.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah. So when it's raining, they come to the undercover and they've got all these babies and prams and I can't kind of go, go in the rain. Although now I know I could. Ha ha.
Jen:
Jen said, go stand in the rain, you'll be all right. Like.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, but I see how many women they have with trans and you know, and I go, Oh, how did she how did I get that many women
Jen:
Mmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
out, you know, with babies? I have a mix. I would make some moms who have toddlers, moms who have newborns, and then also moms who've got kids in school. So there's a real mix. But yeah, so I guess in that sense, or I compare myself to another trainer I see with I don't know more clients or more clients, but like I count, I count clients.
Jen:
But what do you do with that then? Do you feel like, do you, I don't know, like do you feel shitty towards that person or does it inspire you or what do you, how do you feel and what do you do?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I think initially I feel a bit upset, like okay. And then
Jen:
Okay?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I sit back and
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
go, you know, they're offering something different because I can picture this one
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
group and they're got a mix of men and women and that's not necessarily my new shortcut. I have a couple guys in my night
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
classes. And then I sit on that and go, you know what? It doesn't matter because
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I've got a... you know, there's enough clients that I'm reaching and I'm reaching them the way I want to reach them and how I reach them. And I've had clients with me for 13, 14 years. I have other clients that have been with me for nine years and most of them just continue on every term. There's maybe a few like a handful that don't. But and I think back on that longevity, just because I see, I know it still sounds a bit comparison wise, but I see what I've created and that community I've created. And I don't know if those trainers have that community, but I know what I've stated is something special and I kind of look
Jen:
Mmm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
back and go, that's all you know, and being confident in that,
Jen:
Yeah,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
reminding myself.
Jen:
so yeah, there's that element of sticking in your own lane, right? When you see
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
something out there. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Was there anything else you'd like to share Sarah about, you know, if somebody else is feeling threatened by working alongside other women or yeah, just any last kind of support words?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah, I think the biggest thing is don't be afraid of that collaboration and
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
being able to see what it could bring to your business, not only your business but to others. And then the bigger picture of, I guess I love to question Molly about the legacy that you want to leave and her answer.
Jen:
How
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Like,
Jen:
good was that? So
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
oh,
Jen:
good.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
like, gives me goosebumps. But it's... exactly that is that what's the bigger picture and how we're going to achieve that bigger picture that women don't have to say, why didn't anybody tell me that? Or, you know,
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
women are going to have that support from before birth, before having a baby, even before that, like having that support as teenagers to before having a baby through birth, after birth, and that it's not going to be something that we look back. And that's just going to be norm. Like what Molly said, that's
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
just always how it's been. Like, what are you talking about? Like the generations
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
down the line. And having that bigger picture can help you not have that scarcity mentality and not be afraid to work with other people and to share, I guess, too. Like I give clients to the other girls, or not clients, but inquiries to other girls in the area all the
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
time that I can't help. And I've never, ever, I've never, ever done that before. You know, I can't help them, but I know you can. And I'd rather you, you know, than them go somewhere where they're not gonna get the help that they need or
Jen:
Yeah.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
not trained at all. So yeah.
Jen:
Absolutely. And I think what resonated for me when you were talking about, you know, the bigger mission is we can't do this on our own. Like there's
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Good
Jen:
not
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
one.
Jen:
one of us that can, we can all lead in our own individual ways and we can create different businesses and different brands and different products and different services, but the world needs every single one of our voices in order to
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah.
Jen:
achieve even our individual mission, you know, whether it's making sure all moms have access to safe and effective exercise or whatever it may be. I'm not, I can't possibly do that on my own nor can you nor can you know the trainer down the road. So we have to come together and I think the more that we do that the better.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and how many people are in the world around us that aren't exercising and aren't staying fit and active? Like, there's so many people, your next neighbors,
Jen:
Mm.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
everyone, you know, and so in that sense, there's so many people who need our services and that you don't need to
Jen:
Absolutely.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
have that stiff mentality. Yeah, great.
Jen:
Yep. I love it. So if somebody is either in the Hills District or they want to follow you because you're awesome, where do they go?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Instagram handle is at in to the number two life Tee and Facebook is into life personal pain and yeah, thank you. I'm in the ponds in Kellyville
Jen:
Amazing.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and I wear turquoise. You are usually so or Jade. I think you call it in Australia. We're the green
Jen:
Yeah,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
people
Jen:
you need
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
that
Jen:
more
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
trade
Jen:
tops
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
in the
Jen:
with
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
pond.
Jen:
like that bright. Yeah, okay. Cool. So do you normally wear the green top when you're out?
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Yeah,
Jen:
That's what we need. We talked about that at the retreat,
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
yeah,
Jen:
hey? Wear the green. Yep.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I normally do.
Jen:
We're
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
I just
Jen:
the green
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
don't
Jen:
people.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
have this on the front, you know, on everything.
Jen:
Ah, I like it. I like it. Hey, Sarah, thank you so much for sharing some time with me today. We're going to continue this conversation with a lovely Jodie and but Sarah have a beautiful afternoon. I appreciate
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Thank
Jen:
you
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
you.
Jen:
spending some time and I really do. You know, you're a cheerleader inside MomSafe and you're one of those people that no matter where you've come from and the things that you've shared, you jump in and you support people, you bring a beautiful energy to every single thing that we do as a team. And I see you always supporting and lifting people up. So thank you for everything that you give us.
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
Thank you. Love being part of it. Good.
Jen:
Amazing. Alright, have a beautiful day. Bye!
Sarah Magi-IN2Life Personal Trainiong:
and bye.
Jen:
All right, stay there.
Jen:
Jodie, we've
Jody Pearce:
Hello.
Jen:
just said goodbye to Sarah. It's like, this is an interesting podcast because we've gone from one person to another person. I've never done this before. But welcome to the MUM
Jody Pearce:
Thank
Jen:
Safe
Jody Pearce:
you.
Jen:
Movement podcast. I'm excited that you're here to spend the second half of our hour with us.
Jody Pearce:
Thank you for having me, this is really exciting.
Jen:
It is exciting, it is exciting. Let's kick off with your wardrobe when you're working on. Let's go.
Jody Pearce:
Okay, I have an interesting word to share with you today because
Jen:
Mmm.
Jody Pearce:
I always have more than one feeling going on at a time. So my word today is Frision or Frision.
Jen:
like how because we use nervous cited for nervous and excited but I've
Jody Pearce:
And
Jen:
got
Jody Pearce:
that's,
Jen:
no
Jody Pearce:
yes,
Jen:
idea what you're saying.
Jody Pearce:
yeah, that's basically what it means. It means
Jen:
But
Jody Pearce:
I'm
Jen:
I don't
Jody Pearce:
nerf-sided.
Jen:
know what those were.
Jody Pearce:
Means I'm
Jen:
So
Jody Pearce:
nerf-sided. I'm excited
Jen:
what was the
Jody Pearce:
and
Jen:
word
Jody Pearce:
nervous all
Jen:
though?
Jody Pearce:
at once. Frision, it's like
Jen:
What
Jody Pearce:
a
Jen:
does,
Jody Pearce:
French word,
Jen:
oh,
Jody Pearce:
but it's
Jen:
so it's
Jody Pearce:
not
Jen:
not putting
Jody Pearce:
French.
Jen:
the words together.
Jody Pearce:
No, no, it's
Jen:
Ah.
Jody Pearce:
actually a word. I looked it up today because I had two feelings going on and then I saw people use nerf-sided and I was like, well, everybody will know what that means. I'm nervous and excited all at once, but frision apparently is another way to explain it.
Jen:
In French, but
Jody Pearce:
Well,
Jen:
not French.
Jody Pearce:
no, it's actually, oh wow, it's in the dictionary. So
Jen:
Alright,
Jody Pearce:
I Googled it. So there you go. That's my word.
Jen:
we've learnt something new today. I love it. And a win.
Jody Pearce:
Oh, well today I'm actually signing the contract for my sublease for my new premises of where body impact with journey will be from going forward. So that's
Jen:
That
Jody Pearce:
exciting.
Jen:
is very, very cool.
Jody Pearce:
Hmm.
Jen:
And congratulations.
Jody Pearce:
Thank you.
Jen:
And something you're working on.
Jody Pearce:
Well, because I'm you know, restarting again, or not restarting, but relaunching as
Jen:
evolving
Jody Pearce:
an exercise for this, I'm evolving. Yeah, that's a pretty good way to put it. I have been working on basically promoting connecting, putting myself out there again, and then planning going forward because I need to fill a few spots in the next six weeks to make this
Jen:
Yep.
Jody Pearce:
viable. So
Jen:
Fantastic.
Jody Pearce:
that's been what I've been working on.
Jen:
Amazing. Nice work. I can't wait. I'm always excited to watch people's evolution. So it's watch this space.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
Nice big. So we just got off this like we just finished rapid like, oh my god, stop. So that stopped at two, about two nine, two nine. Okay, we'll come back in at 225. Jodie, I wanted to get your take today on women, kind of women supporting other women. We just had a great conversation with Sarah and I wanted to get more than one person's perspective on this, because I think it's something that we all, I'm going to say, I don't know why suffer with is the right word, but we all have experience with. So one, well, before we get into that, tell us where people can find you, like tell us a little bit about your business, where you're based, and I know you're evolving, so that leads nicely into that.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, yeah, well, I'm in Perth, Western Australia. I've been body-empowerment with Jodi for a couple of years now. That evolved from Mama Bubs, which is how I started back in 2015. And I basically empower women from the inside out, regardless of the stage of life, their fitness level or their ability. Because I'm an exercise physiologist. So yes, I'm still a women's health and fitness coach. I still have a lot of passion. that space but the exercise physiology just enables me to help women that little bit further with dealing with chronic conditions, specific women's health issues,
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
there's still a gap in the exercise physiology space specifically in relation to women's health and specifically over here in WA.
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, so
Jen:
Yeah,
Jody Pearce:
that's where
Jen:
I love
Jody Pearce:
I am.
Jen:
that you're in that sitting in that space.
Jody Pearce:
Mm.
Jen:
Very, very cool. Um, tell us, Jodie, about your experiences that have, you know, previous experiences that made it hard to want to collaborate specifically with other women.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, well I guess it comes back to, you know, from all that I've learnt that feeling of not enough, there's not enough
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
and I have to have it all because if I don't have enough then I'm not going to survive. So back when I first went out to the park more so than anything with my Mums and Bubs classes back a few years ago, I was very conscious of other trainers in the park that I was at. And I was very conscious of those who weren't doing the right thing, because usually they were women.
Jen:
They weren't
Jody Pearce:
And
Jen:
doing the right thing.
Jody Pearce:
yeah, they would do the right thing. And I'm a very black and white. You do the right thing or else. But also women, other businesses come into my space. There's a one particular lady who we're actually really good friends now. But she had this amazing setup that her husband had built for her. So it had all the equipment. Basically, it was on a trailer. So she just roll it in. She had
Jen:
Oh my
Jody Pearce:
all
Jen:
goodness.
Jody Pearce:
the things. It was amazing. And when she rocked up, not very far from where I worked out with my girls, I was like, are you freaking kidding me? Like, seriously. I kind of watched her for a bit. And you know, it was, you know, obviously as we do, when we're not feeling great about ourselves, we kind of judge in and go, oh
Jen:
Mmm.
Jody Pearce:
no, and try to pick all the problems with that. Anyway, we were over at the coffee shop across the road one day, and I'm getting my coffee. And she walks up to me and she goes, oh hi. I'm Marissa and she was so lovely. I felt so bad. But now she doesn't actually have that business. She's actually does other things in the space. But, and she's helped me a lot in the last few
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
months particularly. But yeah, that was one particular episode where, you know, I was kind of like, are you kidding me? You're in my space and this is for me, same time. But no, we actually, as we always joke about now, her target market was different to mine.
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
So I don't know what my issue was. It's just- I didn't
Jen:
What?
Jody Pearce:
want to, yeah, share.
Jen:
Yeah, I didn't want to share exactly what you said at the beginning, like that internal feeling of not enoughness and then that external feeling that well, if they go to her, they're not coming to me.
Jody Pearce:
Correct, yeah, yeah.
Jen:
Yep.
Jody Pearce:
So that was one of the two, back in the day I say, because I feel a while ago now, but I guess pre-COVID.
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
There was another situation when I first started out in this postnatal space that I was in, while I was stalking you, I was also stalking,
Jen:
Hahaha
Jody Pearce:
I was also stalking another girl who was based here in WA. She started her business in 2012, it was called Mums and Bubs Fitness.
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
And I remember for so long, I would watch her business and I would then see her around. I see her at the pool with her kids and I kind of look at her and I like, oh, what are you doing? And why have you got so many classes and why aren't my classes filling? And then it took me so long until one day at Cricket, her husband ended up coaching my son in Cricket.
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
And one day she comes down and I'm watching her and I'm like, oh, do I go over? Oh no, she keeps taking my business. Oh no, no. One day I walked up to her finally and said, oh, hi, you know, I'm Jodie from the, she's like, oh, hi. Anyway, we caught up. She wanted to share something else with me, but we ended up becoming really good friends and doing stuff together. But for so long, I actually thought at one stage she'd taken the name of my program.
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
And I was like, are you for real? But no, it was just how many ways can you name a program really, let's be honest now. And no one had trademarked it. So really we had, you know, there was nothing on it, but the feelings of How dare you? Once again, she's not actually working in that space anymore. She's actually down south, she moved. So,
Jen:
Yep.
Jody Pearce:
and one of her clients ended up coming over to me anyways, but well, been with me for five years now. So it's, yeah, it was really funny how I was just watching and felt like, what are you doing? You're taking my business. And I was, it's crazy because there was none of that going on. She was going one way, I was going another. Little did I know, so, yeah.
Jen:
Don't you love how the universe puts them in your space though? Like your husband
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
is then coaching your son and you then have this crossroads, right? You can either
Jody Pearce:
Yep.
Jen:
be the person that the other woman was and coming up to you and being really lovely or be the person that continues
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
to hold that barrier and that kind of bristly feeling towards that person and you chose to be the first person.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, for once.
Jen:
For what? I
Jody Pearce:
But
Jen:
had...
Jody Pearce:
yeah, yeah. And then I think it was about that time that I did become, you know, part of the Body Beyond Baby. And we spoke a lot about that. But yeah, it took
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
a while, you know. And it's taken me a while to realize there's a lot of value of working together rather than working against each other. But that took a
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
while. And yeah, for sure.
Jen:
What are some of the things that made you start? I mean, that was one first kind of step in that journey. I have to tell you this story actually. So when I launched my business, so we were in Centennial Park and we launched, when I say we, I launched the business in the inner west in Birch Grove and I did a coffee shout out. So I went to a coffee shop and I, you know, one of my strategies for moms knowing who, where I was and what I was doing was. buying them coffees and giving flyers out with the coffees when they got them from the coffee shop. I didn't personally buy them, I gave money to the person, the barista. Anyway, there was a gym upstairs and I could see this guy at the window watching what I was doing. And I was like walking around, giving out flyers, saying hi to people. And then I went upstairs and I knocked on the door. because I wanted to introduce myself and it was a man and it was a gym. So I knew for me straight away, it was there was never going to be any competition. Like if you want to train in a gym, don't come to me. If you want to train with a dude, don't come to me. And I he wouldn't answer. He didn't answer the door. So I slid my card under the door. And then I went back to my car because I was about to leave
Jody Pearce:
I'm going to go
Jen:
and
Jody Pearce:
to
Jen:
the
Jody Pearce:
bed.
Jen:
guy came down and he knocked on the window of my car. I opened the car and he threw my card into the car and he was like, I don't wanna be friends with you. You're the competition. And I was like, dude,
Jody Pearce:
Whoa.
Jen:
I could send you all of these women's husbands. But I had to share that because it's
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
fascinating. And we're having these great conversations today and you've been really open about, you know, your feelings of like not enoughness. And I think I, at that point had stepped into more of a, well, either I'm running my own race and I'm not. not really collaborating, but I'm not looking at what somebody else is
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
doing. Um, but we will get hit with that time and time again.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
Um, and, and always being that person that then chooses to do something slightly differently, even if it doesn't feel like that's what you want to do to begin
Jody Pearce:
Mm.
Jen:
with, um, can be a really good step in the right direction, but Jodie, what was your, yeah, what were the next kind of incremental steps that you took? to move, you became part of what was BodyBearBaby
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
affiliate, now is mum safe. Yeah, talk to me.
Jody Pearce:
Well, even coming on board as part of an affiliate, I still, when I was doing some online stuff, still felt that, you know, can we share stuff? Can
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
we share information? And it has taken a long time. It did take me quite a few years to realize that it was okay and that we all rise up bigger and stronger when we share. But I have to admit, it's only because of the amazing women that I've been able to connect with through that. being so generous because I've become a very guarded person and I don't know why. Let's, we could go back and work it all out, irrespective of the last few years, but you could work all that out, but I've always not been the one to come forward first.
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
And I think it was the generosity of the smallest, you know, the small group we had then, and then as the group grew, how open people were to sharing stuff. And I'm like, oh my gosh, they're so okay with it. Oh, it must be okay, you know, so it has taken me a lot longer than probably a lot of people because I'm not naturally that way. I'm very guarded in that way. So only now am I happy to share. Because I feel, you know, I have got to a stage now, maybe a bit of maturity comes with it. But I've come to the stage now with there's so many women out there. It's a huge amount of women out there. And we're 51% of the population, for goodness sake,
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
there's a lot of us out there. And there's a lot of mums out there.
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
That we they all need support. each and every one of them in some way. And they're gonna be attracted to different types of people in different services that they need. And we all provide something different to each
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
and every one of them. So, yeah.
Jen:
Yeah, it's interesting what you say about what I heard you say about everyone else must feel differently so that
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
you kind of you leant into what they were doing and I actually don't know that that's the case. I just think that if you get enough groundswell of enough people doing it that the outside people come in. So I remember in those initial early stages, that's when I was thinking about you know, everyone has their own territory in their area. And I did
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
verbalize that to people. And then I had to backtrack on that to go, we're not doing that anymore because that's not the business I wanna build and it's not the energy that I wanna bring to this.
Jody Pearce:
Mmm.
Jen:
And then just to start going, but we can all share and there's enough to go around. And actually from going through that process, what I know is there's this many thousands of moms, hundreds of thousands of moms in your specific area, you can't possibly look after all of them. But I do think that when people sometimes come in, they have that same feeling, but then they go, oh, well, there's all these other people sharing. And what they may not be aware of is that those people feel that too, but they're going, they're making that choice. So they're choosing
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
an action instead of a reaction, and they're leaning in. So you just gotta get this ripple effect to people going. oh, we can do it different, oh yeah, we can do it different. And then everyone comes in and goes,
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
oh, they do it different in here. Little do they know that every single one of those people coming in had that same feeling
Jody Pearce:
Yeah,
Jen:
to begin
Jody Pearce:
yeah,
Jen:
with.
Jody Pearce:
probably. Yeah, probably. It's interesting. And I like we always, always in life, you are really influenced by the people that you're
Jen:
Hmm
Jody Pearce:
surrounded by. So if you're surrounded by people who are giving and are generous and loving and caring, I think that naturally makes you a more caring, loving, generous person because it's just what you're influenced by. So it's funny how that works. But it's wonderful how it works.
Jen:
I agree. I agree. I like it. What would you say to someone who's getting those feelings of, I guess, scarcity?
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, I think you just need to take a step back and try to understand why. Ask
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
yourself, why am I feeling this way right now? What is it, what's happened either in the past or what's happening now that's making me feel this way? And what's the worst case scenario going forward if that person was to come into my space or that person, that potential client goes somewhere else? What's the worst case, what's the worst situation that could happen? bit of reflections always required,
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
I feel.
Jen:
Yeah,
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
I think that's good. I think also, Joanie, because you're working, so you're a personal trainer and you're an exercise physiologist, sometimes as personal trainers, we don't even know what EPs do. So what do
Jody Pearce:
Ah,
Jen:
you do? It's like, what,
Jody Pearce:
oh, it's okay.
Jen:
you just got a fancy title? Like,
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
what do you, because we're gonna talk about collaboration across
Jody Pearce:
Yep,
Jen:
fitness to EP to women's health. But
Jody Pearce:
yep.
Jen:
what does an EP even do? Do? Yes.
Jody Pearce:
That's a great question, Janet. I'm glad you've asked it because most of the world don't know what we do. I've just worked with
Jen:
That's really bad
Jody Pearce:
the
Jen:
advertising,
Jody Pearce:
vets. No,
Jen:
isn't it?
Jody Pearce:
no, it's not because we actually, when we go into some places, call ourselves exercise physios. because people don't know what
Jen:
Ah!
Jody Pearce:
an exercise physiologist is. I have
Jen:
That's even
Jody Pearce:
many
Jen:
more
Jody Pearce:
thoughts
Jen:
confusing.
Jody Pearce:
about that. But let me tell you what an exercise physiologist is because there is a difference between a PT, an exercise physiologist and a physio. There's
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
three different, and people get those sometimes a little bit confused as to what they need. Not so much between a PT and a physio, but where does an exercise physiologist
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
fit, right?
Jen:
Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
So I guess the simplest way to explain an exercise physiologist is, is that we'll use exercise as a way of preventing and managing chronic diseases, injuries and any disabilities. So there's a lot of gray area, right? Because as a PT, you can help with that. But the difference between an exercise physiologist and a personal trainer is, first of all, an exercise physiologist has to be tertiary qualified, they have to have university qualifications. Whereas many but you don't have to be a personal trainer, right? The other difference is that a PT will generally provide exercise and instruction to the healthy population. So people come to you not so much for a specific disease or a specific injury or specific condition, they're more likely to come to you for losing weight, health and wellbeing, general wellbeing and health kind of
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
conditions. Once again, there's a lot of gray over because there's a lot of very skilled personal trainers out there. I mean, even with the Mumsafe trainers, there's a lot of gray area because of the education that we receive and all of that behind it, which is what drew me to working with you in the first place, it was the approach. It's very much an exercise theology approach to training.
Jen:
Hmm, who knew?
Jody Pearce:
Then you, yeah, so that's probably the biggest difference.
Jen:
Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
But like, so where is a PT, a mom might go to, for example, a new mom might go to a PT get fitness back, right? To feel stronger, to get our fitness back. If they didn't come to someone who was qualified to work with mums,
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
literally they would just go back and do the fitness things. Whereas an exercise physiologist could do more of the rehabilitation stuff that a lot of the mum safe trainers are skilled to do. The difference being we also can help with things like, more specifically with PCOS, so polycystic ovarian syndrome. things to do with endometriosis. We go into the areas of say breast cancer, ovarian cancer, the cancers, and we help with other sorts of chronic conditions. Or then there's the women who need help getting back after hip surgery, you know, shoulder surgery,
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
ankles, a lot of broken ankles going around with the elder generation.
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
So yeah, that's a little bit of the difference. So there's a lot of difference, but gently comes back to your qualifications, and we do more chronic diseases and that kind of stuff.
Jen:
Okay,
Jody Pearce:
rather than just
Jen:
yep.
Jody Pearce:
healthy populations that are looking to feel better about themselves.
Jen:
Okay.
Jody Pearce:
Be stronger in that. Does
Jen:
Yeah. And how
Jody Pearce:
that make
Jen:
do you
Jody Pearce:
sense?
Jen:
feel like it does make sense? How do you feel like the collaboration between the fitness industry to the exercise physiologist industry to allied health works?
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
Because at the moment, often we go PT, women's health physio,
Jody Pearce:
Yep.
Jen:
like where, where could we do it better, including an EP in that scenario?
Jody Pearce:
sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, because we fall under the allied health. So that
Jen:
Okay,
Jody Pearce:
also means
Jen:
so I'm talking physio then not yet
Jody Pearce:
yeah,
Jen:
when
Jody Pearce:
so
Jen:
I
Jody Pearce:
your
Jen:
say
Jody Pearce:
physios
Jen:
all of it.
Jody Pearce:
are
Jen:
Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
just do you more of your acute stuff, your more
Jen:
Okay.
Jody Pearce:
acute injuries and stuff that's generally but a lot of physios are exercise physiologists first, they've trained and they up skilled, you'll find if you speak to a lot of especially the musculoskeletal ones, they are often got an EP background in this
Jen:
Okay.
Jody Pearce:
in their qualifications. They just don't have time to do the exercise side. So once they've got past the acute phase and then move into more of the functional exercise,
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
they just don't have the time. So that's when they say, okay, let's go to an EP. Now in relation to your question, how can we do it better? I guess it comes back to how we can support a woman who really is struggling in a group situation potentially with your abdominal separations, your pelvic floor dysfunctions, or any other thing like that we work with. They need a little bit more one-on-one time and you as a personal trainer don't have that space or don't feel that you can support them as best you can.
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
We can come in there in that interim phase and they can use a GP care plan, so Medicare funded, or their health fund, private health fund. They can get a little bit more support from a financial perspective, as well as that more one-on-one short-term help
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
to get them to a stage that takes them back into the class and feeling strong. So it really depends. So I was thinking from my perspective now, there's a few trainers here in Perth that I know are qualified to work with mums. And so I'm gonna reach out to them and say, if there's anyone that needs a little bit more help in between and you haven't got the time or you don't feel you have the ability yet, then let them know and I might better help them. Or if you want me to help come and speak about endometriosis and peer costs and how people can manage some of those things within their training, let me know. So it's just that next level of knowledge, that evidence-based, which you're very much about yourself, is the evidence-based
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
knowledge and integrating that into how we work. But a lot of trainers don't come from it so much from that perspective. Does
Jen:
What
Jody Pearce:
that
Jen:
would
Jody Pearce:
help?
Jen:
you say? Yeah,
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
no, that's super helpful. And I guess if we're circling back to the conversation that we're having today
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
around, you know, whether it's collaboration, you know, how collaboration can support your growth, if you've got a personal trainer in front of you that's now going, Oh, but then if I send them to an EP, like that's even more of a step than some trainers don't want to send to physios because
Jody Pearce:
No.
Jen:
they think the physio is going to take,
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
take their clients. Whereas we're not, we're working in collaboration. How would you reassure a personal trainer that working with an EP is doing that as well? Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah, well, I guess it's that mutual respect, right? You have an agreement that is at the end of the day, it's the client's decision and what best supports them. I always think I often have said to my clients, you know, I will either be here for a long time for you, if that's what you choose, or I might be a stepping stone from where you are now, to what you want to do. Like,
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
do you want to go do your classes out in the park? Great. Well, I don't I don't do that. So that's fantastic. Do you want to go back to your CrossFit? great, let's just make sure you have the physical capability and the knowledge of your body to be able to do that. So I think it's that mutual respect between everybody and that you connect with people and collaborate with people who you feel are gonna give that to you until you know for sure. You know, that
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
no like and trust business, you know. You get a sense, you gotta trust your gut with people sometimes.
Jen:
Trust your gut and also I think I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah,
Jen:
Yeah,
Jody Pearce:
me too.
Jen:
because sometimes you just don't quite know.
Jody Pearce:
No, you don't.
Jen:
Yeah,
Jody Pearce:
You
Jen:
but there's
Jody Pearce:
don't.
Jen:
also I think there's also the opportunity in that space to go somebody might not have felt it's like how do we brainwash them to know that there's another way as well because you could have
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
someone who does have that scarcity mindset and it's like, oh really? Like what? But this is how I feel like we could work together
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
and it's a win-win for everybody and hey, there is another way.
Jody Pearce:
There is, and I think also, I mean, I often have women come to me sometimes and I'll help them, but then they do wanna go out and do something. So I wanna know the trainers out there that I can trust
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
will allow women to manage their workouts. I have one client, she goes out now and does boot camps, but she knows how to manage her workouts so she doesn't hurt herself.
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
And I think it's just saying, well, I have a client that I wanna refer now to a trainer who's out doing something different. And it's the same way, have you got someone who needs a little bit of help right now, maybe with some rehab or they've injured themselves or there's a condition, they've got cancer or something, they need something in between,
Jen:
Mm-hmm.
Jody Pearce:
then we can get them back to where they were at. So it's a two way, isn't it? You know, it's just a bit
Jen:
It
Jody Pearce:
like
Jen:
is.
Jody Pearce:
with our physios, it's a two way, we refer to them, they refer to us, but you have to build that trust
Jen:
the
Jody Pearce:
and
Jen:
trust.
Jody Pearce:
that relationship, yeah.
Jen:
Yeah, absolutely. How does it feel Jodie sitting in the space because you could talk to you now and not even think you had any of these thoughts and feelings that you had back in the day. Like how does it feel different for you operating in from this space than it did from that space?
Jody Pearce:
Um, that's a good question. I think I feel excited by new connections now. Um, I feel it gives me the opportunity to help more people, which is where I'm at, is I, there is so much going on out there and I'm just like, what the? And so if I can work with more people and help more people with their businesses, then I feel like I've done something good. for more people. I can only reach so many people and I'm not for everyone.
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
And I don't have all the skills and all the knowledge and everything. So yeah, it's lighter. The pressure now comes from within me. That's where I feel the pressure now. It's like, it's a new
Jen:
Which
Jody Pearce:
girl.
Jen:
is a whole nother conversation,
Jody Pearce:
Or just
Jen:
right?
Jody Pearce:
a whole nother conversation, that's right.
Jen:
Nice. What would you say, Jodie, to someone that is still sitting in that kind of like, oh, you know, scarcity mindset, doesn't really want to collaborate, feels like everyone's the competition. What would you say to them?
Jody Pearce:
Well, first have a reflection on the why,
Jen:
Mm.
Jody Pearce:
and then just give it a go. Reach out to people that you see do collaborate with others and talk to them. Find out from their experience, collaborate with them, feel the trust that you can collaborate and not lose.
Jen:
Hmm.
Jody Pearce:
You know, I think it's just taking those first steps. Like anything, if you're gonna make a change, you have to take some first steps, and they're gonna be scary and hard and yucky, and they're not gonna feel comfortable. but they'll be worth it. They'll be worth it, yeah.
Jen:
Absolutely. Jodie, where can people find you if they want to get in contact?
Jody Pearce:
Well, I do have my website, so bodyempowermentwithjodie.com. You can also find me on Facebook and Instagram. Facebook is Body Empowerment with Jodie, and Instagram is Body Empowerment Underscore with Jodie. I'm also on LinkedIn under Jodie Pearce, so if people are on LinkedIn, hit me up there. And I will be in Osborne Park in Perth, WA, in the next couple of weeks, opening there, so that's where I'll be. you know, hanging out with a great lot of other exercise physiologists who also work in that space. So
Jen:
Beautiful. I
Jody Pearce:
yeah.
Jen:
love it. Fantastic. Jodie, I wanted to say a huge thank you for taking time out of your day to spend with us. You have been part of this journey from the literal get go. So like the what body beyond when body beyond baby started to mum safe being what it is today.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
And it's been absolutely fantastic to watch. your journey through the ups, not fantastic to watch the downs of course, but to be there and to observe the ups and downs. And I love how you consistently share with others and also back yourself even through the times where you feel like it's really, really hard.
Jody Pearce:
Yeah,
Jen:
Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
and this next six weeks, there's gonna be some severe backing going on.
Jen:
You've laid the foundations for that backing. I know
Jody Pearce:
Yeah.
Jen:
that from what, you know, the last few years and all the, like you can absolutely kick this. Kick it,
Jody Pearce:
Well,
Jen:
kick its bum, kick its ass, whatever you wanna
Jody Pearce:
whatever
Jen:
say. Yeah.
Jody Pearce:
you would call it. Well, thank you for the opportunity to be here today. It's been so much fun.
Jen:
Awesome. I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
Jody Pearce:
Absolutely.
Jen:
All right.
Jody Pearce:
Bye.
