Jen (00:01.102)
Cam, welcome to the Mom's Safe Movement podcast. How are you?
Dr Cam (00:06.025)
Honest answer, I'm actually on fire today. On fire. Yeah. I've had a big few weeks of travel and now it's like I've hit my flow zone again this morning, but it's off the back of a few things I've done too. So I'm feeling really good. Thank you.
Jen (00:08.814)
Okay.
Jen (00:20.014)
I love it. Do you take a while to get over traveling? Is that?
Dr Cam (00:24.681)
No, it just knocks me around a little bit. And like, it's, it's having the clear space in my schedule that allows me to get back into flow. So it's, when I get back, everything's a mad rush because I've left things to go and travel and then I've got to catch up and it doesn't feel flowy. But then I kind of get on top of that wave and then I'm back kind of making yards again. That's, that's where I'm at right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Jen (00:50.542)
Nice. I like that. I like that. And it's a good reminder to leave yourself space after travel to go through that process. Yeah. Very cool. Let's, let's kick off with the way that we always start the podcast is if you want to share a word, which is how you're showing up today. And I don't think it's going to be a shit word because you just told me that you're on fire, but you can be super honest and then following that with something that you're winning at and then something that you're working on.
Dr Cam (00:56.393)
Yes, yeah, totally, yeah.
Dr Cam (01:02.153)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (01:10.537)
Yeah.
okay. all right. So the word for today is, is flow for sure. I'm in that right now. and the win is a realization that I had about how I stay motivated. and I've got a few different elements to my personality and one of them, do I expand here or just keep it to a word? Okay, cool. Yeah.
Jen (01:24.046)
Nice.
Jen (01:34.414)
Hmm.
Jen (01:40.494)
I would, well I was gonna ask you to expand, so please do.
Dr Cam (01:44.713)
let me tell you a story. So, I've been like, I've, I've been, I'm always quite self -driven. And if I've got a task list in front of me, it's really good, but there's this element of my personality that's very social and socially inclined. And if I co -opt both of those elements, so get focused and get a plan, but then get friends to keep me accountable or people that I.
Jen (02:10.542)
Ahhhh
Dr Cam (02:11.945)
I'm conscious of that I don't want to fall down in their eyes. And if I engage with them, then I am like doubly motivated. So my win was that realization rather than trying to do it myself all of the time, I actually can have an element of that accountability and it makes me so much better. Without it being a deficit, it's actually just, it makes me better rather than.
Jen (02:22.03)
Huh.
Jen (02:36.014)
So what does that look like for you? Is that like just telling your good friends what you're doing or working alongside them or?
Dr Cam (02:41.161)
Yeah, I'm, I'm actually, so the kind of friend that I need is someone who really like, we have mutual respect. but I, I know that I'm perceived in their eyes as good, as impressive, and I don't want that status to drop. So it's not all of my friends are like that. There's some friends where I go, I can be whoever I want to be, and I can be a shithead and everything's fine.
Jen (02:50.19)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (03:09.801)
This is, these are the people that I've got great relationships with, but there's like, they're holding me to a standard, I guess, or there's a natural standard. Cause I know that I, my brain that plays to that better. And then I've got different elements of my life, different people. So I've got one guy who's just, he coaches and trains CEOs and team leaders. and we work alongside together. I deliver the wellness. He delivers the, the, the cultural stuff. And I've said, mate, I'm, I want some.
Jen (03:15.246)
Hmm.
Jen (03:34.766)
Yep.
Dr Cam (03:38.793)
mentoring to be a better leader because he thinks I'm a great leader, but I could definitely improve. And so him even saying that as all, and I said, so I need to really lift because you know, there's expectation. And then I've got somebody, and this is the, the working on, this is the working on and the win at the same time. And then I've got a friend who I've engaged with like, it's like a 75 hard, but I've got my own criteria that I know bring me into my best flow. So.
Jen (03:48.718)
Yep.
Jen (03:53.614)
Okay.
Jen (03:59.118)
Dr Cam (04:07.081)
75 heart isn't for everybody just because of the metrics. I deal for everybody, but I know what I've got to do. So I'm doing a 90 crusade. I'm calling it. And I've got a friend who were accountable for that as well. And then from a financial perspective, my bookkeeper is amazing and really calls me on directly on my shit. And so I said, yeah, I need to get this more sorted. And so I connected. So it's different elements of my life.
Jen (04:17.166)
Okay.
Dr Cam (04:36.489)
similar kind of person, but with a very focused, yep.
Jen (04:38.35)
I love it. It's funny, I was listening to a podcast about 75 hard. I think I was running in the UK. I was over in the UK recently and I was like, I've always kind of looked at people doing it and just gone, I don't know that that's for me. But then I think to level you up or decide what is your criteria and then who's holding you accountable is pretty cool. I'm interested in your criteria, but I feel like we should also dive into the topic to today's chat.
Dr Cam (04:58.481)
Hmm. Hmm.
Dr Cam (05:03.625)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jen (05:04.59)
Cam, tell us about you. Tell us about how you came to do what you do today.
Dr Cam (05:11.785)
Okay, so I started out in a small country town in Gundagai in New South Wales, which is sort of four hours from Sydney. Always loved sports. My dad was a dentist. My mom had a spiritual healing center with every healer in the world coming through there. It was really cool. So I got a really cool exposure to both sides of the science. And being who I was, I went down science first. So I did exercise physiology because it had sports in the title and I love sports.
Jen (05:16.75)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (05:26.862)
That's cool.
Dr Cam (05:40.169)
So, and I couldn't be an elite athlete. So I thought this would be my next best thing. third year, I got really interested in, in prevention and reversal of diabetes. Cause a lecturer just said something about exercise and diabetes in a really compelling way. And I said, why isn't everybody doing this in fourth year? I decided that I was going to study dietetics and nutrition to keep going with this diabetes mission. And then, after dietetics as a masses, I, I got out into practice was doing my PhD.
Jen (05:53.102)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (06:10.409)
and realized that everybody was responding differently. So my PhD was in breast cancer survivors who'd been through treatment and I'm looking, I was looking to reduce chronic disease in those individuals because they age 10 years in one year biologically after chemotherapy. So all of their chronic disease risk pulls forward 10 years after chemo. So we were trying to maintain lean body mass, reduce inflammation and
What I realized both in my practice and in my study was that some people were crushing it and getting amazing results and other people putting in exactly the same amount of effort and not getting results. So at the time I was like, what's wrong? And I just thought, there's research, you know, people, some people do and don't, but that is the worst thing ever for private practice, which was totally keeping me accountable. It's like, everybody wants a result there. So, I started looking at a personalization and it was one of those things.
that was a little bit universal in that the day I started looking at genetics as a treatment methodology, I walked into an unrelated meeting to a physio practice in Brisbane and was pitching my team to be their dietician in the physio practice. And it turns out the head of the physio practice was the global founder and CEO of Shea, which is the world's leading precision health tool, which is a decade ahead of anything else. I was talking about, epigenetics is the future, but we're 10 years away.
And literally two months before that, they completed the first ever epigenetics based precision health platform. And so I then worked on that for a year. There was no education. It was just, here's a bunch of weird recommendations and see what you can do, which really competed with a lot of my ideas of what health was all about. but as I, then I started to understand that I knew nothing and,
There are people out there that know way more than I did. So I just started practice it properly and then developed the educational resources. And now we've trained a couple of thousand health professionals around Australia, New Zealand and the world. And we're supporting health professionals. We're supporting workplaces, parents, families, doing a whole bunch of research and reversing disease, working with sporting organizations, working with schools. So.
Dr Cam (08:32.617)
It's been a really cool journey into personalization and how we're all different. And it's explained why my study didn't go the way that it did. It explained why the exercise wasn't treating everyone's diabetes. It's just, it's given me clarity on why things work, which is cool.
Jen (08:36.238)
Mmm.
Jen (08:47.342)
And so from the day that you decided to do that, you walk into this meeting, how this person is aligned with what you're doing and then you've worked within that industry or business ever since. Is that right? How insane is that though? Like that kind of colliding of worlds.
Dr Cam (08:58.921)
Yeah, yeah, literally it was that meeting. It's incredible.
Totally. On that day that I decided to do personalization, it was, you know, I walked in and he goes, Hey, let's go and have a chat outside. Cause this is sort of outside the realm of now the clinical practice side of things. And he said, look, we're doing just another bit of serendipity. I was about to go and visit heart math Institute over in the States, which is like, they do a whole lot of heart rate variability and coherence training. And it's just amazing stuff. And I was always fascinated with them. And this guy goes, yeah, we're doing precision nutrition and exercise.
and like how we're all behave differently and we're working with heart math. Like he just drops this out of the blue. And I was like, Whoa. Okay. And I just said to my, my team member who was meant to be doing the work at this clinic, I said, I don't think this is the right place for you. I'm going to step in. So, and from, from that moment, yeah. So now, I mean, like that global CEO, Matt Riemann, he's probably the most.
He's the most profound human I've ever met or seen online or whatever. I feel like I'm very, very close to the upper echelon of humans when I'm hanging out with him. And it's been 10 years of incredible mentoring with him and building this thing together to get rid of disease and pain by 2050.
Jen (10:17.614)
Amazing.
Jen (10:24.654)
2050, it's the first time I've heard someone not quote 20, 2030, because 2030 is getting a bit close now, isn't it? For people to achieve all the goals that anyway, tell us a little bit.
Dr Cam (10:26.569)
Let's go.
Dr Cam (10:30.473)
It is getting close, yes. We will definitely be in full AI by then, but yes, it won't be quite solved. Yeah, it is, yes.
Jen (10:37.102)
And that's a whole nother conversation, right? But so, Cam, tell us a little bit more about Precision Health Alliance. So that's who you work for and within and the different arms and the brands of the company. Because then we're going to start to go into talking about how this even relates to women's health, mums, for the people that are probably tuning in.
Dr Cam (10:55.497)
Yeah, of course. So the journey started 20 years ago, and I'll make this short, this will not be a 20 year story. We started with a want to eliminate chronic disease and pain by 2050. And a big part of it is not just eliminating disease, but allowing every single person to be seen, heard and recognized.
Jen (11:03.95)
Mm, that's all right.
Dr Cam (11:23.177)
and be in a state of health where they can contribute their natural strengths and that be enough. So turn up.
Jen (11:29.39)
That's just, I think, I think we just need to let that land for a second. Cause I mean, we just had this conversation offline and we, we won't go completely down this road, but kids in schools that don't fit and we're trying to put them all into this model of what we should do. and I think, yeah, just what you just said about to their own strengths or what they're supposed to do. Anyway, carry on. Yep. And that's enough. Hmm.
Dr Cam (11:32.905)
I know.
Dr Cam (11:44.585)
Mm.
Dr Cam (11:50.505)
Yes. Yeah. Imagine just being able to be you and that's enough. That's the dream. So, we started with 10 ,000 individuals tracked over five years from that developed some algorithms for the technology called Shay. And now we're up to 150 ,000 people, 300 million human years of follow -up in our data set, which is machine learning and AI driven. So that technology essentially brings in...
all of the different elements of precision health. So how we need different foods, we need different exercise, we need our bodies. I mean, they respond to different environments in different ways. Some people love the cold, some people love the warm, some people love the dry, some people love the humid. Some people love competition. Some people love collaboration. Some people love just being left alone to do their own work. But different people need different things in all parts of their environment, mental and physical. And we...
quantified those differences. So that's what the Shea brain does essentially is measures that difference. And then under the Shea umbrella, we train health professionals at the Precision Health Alliance. And that's what I head up. So we train medical through to fitness professionals on how they can deliver precision health, the principles that sit behind it. We then have Shea Wellness, which is the corporate delivery. We have Parenting 360, which is designed to help you understand your family, because we had all of these people getting better and then taking it to work.
and then saying, can you come home and fix my family as well? So we had the parenting and we can profile children now from two and up and understand their natural preferences. And we also have a behavioral element to it, relationships, but essentially anywhere there's a human, we've got something that relates to who am I, how am I going to show up and what can I do about it? It's very practical. And the technology.
Jen (13:18.702)
Fix my family.
Jen (13:42.83)
Mm.
Dr Cam (13:44.585)
is at the center of all of this, that essentially brings this stuff together and brings it to life and sends you notifications on, hey, Jen, now's a good time to go for a run and now's a good time for lunch and you should try these foods. And it's really, really interactive. There's some really insane stuff coming in the next year. So yeah, so what I do is primarily train health professionals and communicate this message of personalization so people are more aware.
Jen (14:11.022)
Yep, I love that. And now can you relate it to women's health, please?
Dr Cam (14:15.369)
Yeah. So, firstly, men are different to women. Number one, obviously, well, you know, we need to say it still. Yeah. That's true. Exactly. Yes. and number two is women are different. so you have really, really big differences between women. and that happens in many, many different ways. So in all of the ways that I just discussed, we can have, like, so there's a,
Jen (14:21.966)
Really?
You wouldn't think so in the fitness industry for a long time, but anyway, that's cool.
Jen (14:33.486)
Mm.
Dr Cam (14:45.449)
There's elements of health that we need to address when we're talking about women's health. And first is baseline health. And baseline health relates to, are there foods that are better for me? Is the time that I eat those foods better or worse? Is there exercise that's better for me? Are there better times for me to do those exercises? Are there better people for me to do those exercises with? And then how am I motivated? And...
How can I get the people and environment around me that's going to motivate me? What is the kind of work that I like doing? What are the friends that I like to have? All of these things are different for each of us. So this is the baseline. So if we were to talk about women's health, first and foremost, it would be what's going to create foundational health. And I'll give you a couple of examples of two different types of women. Essentially our model, when we assess somebody, everybody gets a very individualized profile, but it's too difficult to teach.
individuals, like 8 billion variants. So we've broken that into very relevant six different categories as a starting point. And then people get more personalized from that. So there's two people, they're opposite sides of our circle. One's called an activator, and then one's called a diplomat. But every activator is different. I just want to say everybody's a snowflake, everybody's different. But there are definitely people that you'll know that fit this category. Okay, so generally, activators,
Jen (16:05.102)
Of course.
Dr Cam (16:11.049)
they, when they develop, they develop with more, more sensitivity to sex hormones, essentially, and they release more adrenaline for any given moment in time. So any given stimulus. So let's think about that for a second. You've got a person and those sex hormones and the way that they work on your bone structure makes your femurs shorter as you develop. So you end up shorter overall in height and essentially with a body more like a gymnast. Think Simone Biles, like.
Jen (16:34.606)
Hmph.
Dr Cam (16:40.201)
pretty classic activator or generally short little energized bunny that's like ready to take on the world and very proactive. Let's go do stuff. Let's go. Let's go take all the action and have an adventure. So this is all coming from any given stimulus will elicit a greater response of their adrenals and also their sex story. So I want to do it and I want to get there first. That's the, that's what their hormones tell them to do when they get excited.
Jen (16:41.806)
Yep.
Dr Cam (17:10.313)
So what we see with them is that they get very on very quickly. They go at a million miles an hour and then they need to turn off. But what we often see in today's society is that they go on and then on and then on and then on and they're holding this intense speed the whole time and their oxidative stress significantly increases. And so when it comes to exercise, what they need is really intense exercise. But this is
Jen (17:21.07)
Mm.
Jen (17:29.358)
and then crash.
Dr Cam (17:39.913)
pre menopause, they need a really intense exercise, interval like training, and they respond really well to it because it's on and then it's off very much like adrenal should be. They then also need to do stuff like dance where they can be fully embodied in the movement where they can shut their brain off and just move with the feeling of things because that makes a big difference to them. But it's for a short period of time and then off. They need regular meals throughout the day because it shuts their body off.
Jen (17:48.334)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (18:07.785)
It says, Hey, you're going to eat. And if they don't eat, they get really hangry and they bite people's heads off because that's what happens when you're hungry. You look for food elsewhere. So the, we have this individual that now needs more regular food. They actually need a bigger meal at the end of their day, cause it makes them sleep. They need lots of antioxidants because their oxidative stress is higher. and.
Jen (18:25.006)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (18:31.881)
What we notice as well is that behaviorally, they're very direct. They'll just say things exactly as they say, as they think them or as they, as it feels to them. and, and people can go, Whoa, that's a bit intense, but ultimately this is just adrenaline speaking. It's like, here it is bang. And as a result, they start to lose their sense of self because people don't give them good feedback when they're really direct. And so they, they realize that, me being really fully myself is going to make people unhappy. And they get this.
Jen (18:53.71)
Mmm.
Dr Cam (19:01.705)
identity crisis of I can't be myself, even though I feel like saying all of this, and it helps me to say it all. I can't because it's not getting good feedback. So we've got that person there and I'll just park that for a second. And we have the second person, we call them the diplomat. Diplomats very, very different. So instead of wanting to start everything and get excited and adrenalize all of the activities, this individual, I'm sorry, I should say the first person is an early bird. They do really well with early morning stuff, like getting up first thing in the morning and getting into it. Second person.
Very different. They are a night owl and they are steady and they are calm. And instead of looking for adrenaline, they're looking for serotonin. So the activator feels good when they're activating, when they're doing stuff, because that's what their body has been telling them is good their whole life. We have this individual, the other individual, the diplomat, and they feel good when they get enough serotonin. And serotonin you receive at the end of something. So when you complete something.
Jen (19:41.902)
Mm.
Dr Cam (19:59.721)
So I want to finish this thing and then I'm going to feel good. Activators have started 17 things. Diplomat will want to start one thing. And because once they do that one thing, they get satisfaction and that feels good. They have a different body. It varies hugely in size and shape. But ultimately they have a stronger body, generally taller, generally longer femurs, generally will hold a little bit more fat tissue. They've got smoother.
body parts, I guess, rather than sinewy like the activator. For example, you see a bit more muscle on the activator because of the sex hormone influence. And what we notice about this person's digestion, instead of getting really hangry, you can actually over feed them if you feed them too regularly. They do better on two to three meals per day because their digestion just takes a little bit longer. They've got a steadier rhythm as well. They need lots and lots of green leafy vegetables, their gut, brain axis, the happiness they get from their gut.
Jen (20:42.894)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (20:56.809)
reflects directly in their mind. And it's very important they get that sorted with the right kind of veggies. But three meals per day need lots and lots of hydration. And they should not do early morning exercise. They've normally got, if they do, it's got to be nice and calm, like a walk or something like that. Not a bootcamp with the activators who are loving it. The diplomat goes to a bootcamp for 12 weeks and turns out with an injury after six. Yeah. So, and this is because they've also got more lax.
Jen (21:22.158)
Tights it.
Dr Cam (21:26.025)
So we see differences in collagen, which is very important for women's health as we get into the next layer of childbirth and things like that. So this is an individual who should take it slower in the morning, should be calm, should set up their day nicely, and may actually find that they're most productive between two and 10 PM at night. Whereas the activator has fallen off their perch and they are done by four or five. Yep, that's right. So very, very different.
Jen (21:31.086)
Absolutely, yeah.
Jen (21:49.23)
It's like, yep.
Dr Cam (21:53.769)
need different kinds of exercise, diplomats will be much better for a long hike through the forest and then doing some slow, heavier weights. Whereas the activator needs to do that weight and then another set and then another set and another set while the diplomats having their first rest of their first exercise. Like they need variety, the adrenaline versus I need steadiness, I need calm, I want to complete this exercise. So different diets, more vegetable based for the diplomat, more meat based for the activator.
more regular for the activator, less regular for the diplomat, very different style of exercise, very different style of being motivated. It's, you know, activators will say, yeah, I'll do this. And they'll crack into it for a week. A hundred percent. A diplomat still planning after a week and then says, yeah, cool. Now let's, let's get into this now. I feel ready. But what's interesting about Australia is that we have a, a, an early bird overtone in Australia as a culture. So diplomats feel or think.
Jen (22:46.35)
Mm hmm. Yep.
Dr Cam (22:50.441)
They're diplomats, but they've just been socially conditioned into social jet lag, it's called, where they just, they're needing two coffees by 9 a just to feel like they're alive. And it's just because they're trying to push too hard in the morning. And this in and of itself can predispose you to injury, can predispose you to holding more stomach fat, to being more inflamed, just because the timing's not right. So two very different examples. We've got six in our first model.
Jen (23:09.55)
Mm.
Dr Cam (23:17.353)
But you can like straight away, clinically we're thinking, well, we need very different baseline levels of health for these two individuals. And then we can, I'll let you ask a few questions because I've been rambling.
Jen (23:26.734)
No, I like it and I'm like learning, learning, learning. But what I was, I guess what I was gonna say is, you know, we're looking for a baseline health based on the six different profiles for a woman. We'll talk about women because that's what we're here for. But so how would someone recognize that they're in a state? I mean, obviously there's people listening now that have gone, that's me. I try and get up, I go to boot camp, I'm always injured. It takes me two coffees to get moving in the morning and I'm completely out of alignment with.
Dr Cam (23:29.609)
Yep.
Dr Cam (23:36.393)
Yep.
Jen (23:54.286)
my baseline, what are some other ways that women might go, I'm doing this wrong. And I like what are the signs and symptoms to go, hey, maybe I can consider learning more about my body and yeah.
Dr Cam (24:08.009)
Cool. Let's talk about those two types again. And because I think there's a preponderance of diplomats in the Australian population, which is interesting. And there's quite a few activator women too. So if the kinds of things that you'd be looking at as an activator would be that their sex steroid influence means that in stress, their menstrual cycle can change quite quickly. So that would be one, obviously, that's a sign and symptom that we're looking for.
Jen (24:32.686)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (24:36.585)
Second is joint pain, the oxidative stress that they get from being on too much is definitely a thing. So joint pain is a place where that stress shows up for an activator. Also irritation, angry outbursts, like uncontrolled angry outbursts that are beyond their control, where they can't control it so much. They're just getting tired. They feel like their cup is at a thousand percent full and...
I don't want to take anything on and I'll react. So it's, it's a very reactive person when they're under stress and overwhelmed. we will also see, we'll also see for them. Yeah. I would say, look, they'd be the core three. They'd be, it'd be joint pain. It'd be menstrual cycle. And it would be, it's, it's like a, it's a, it's a frustration and anger. You know, that's, that's the feeling it's, it's just not being let out. You're not able to express who you are.
Jen (25:27.342)
Mm.
Dr Cam (25:33.129)
And it can just feel like you're trapped and suppressed. That's the, that's a good one. and generally activators won't do as poorly as diplomats in Australia because early bird is good and they're good at that. but what, where they will struggle is when there's two parents working, we're managing kids, like life never stops. Activators need that stop. And it'll just be that complete impatience and intolerance later on in the day. So that would be one.
Jen (25:56.078)
Need to stop.
Hmm.
Dr Cam (26:02.825)
And then the, the diplomat did like the wrong kind of exercise at the wrong time, the wrong kind of food. They'll just find it very, very difficult to, they'll retain fluid and they'll also hold weight around their belly very easily as well. And it'll be very, very stubborn. Even when they're doing their training, there will be a sense of being highly strung diplomats are meant to be cruisy. But when you wake them up early and let's get into it and let's do this, it's like,
And their brain has to just hold an on phase. And instead of activators doing it through movement, diplomats have to process that through their brain. And so they, they come across highly strung overwhelmed, like the feeling of overwhelmed, the feeling of, I never have enough time for anything. That would be because time is incredibly important to a serotonin sensitive person. I need to own my schedule and I never feel like I'm on my schedule. I feel like I'm constantly on somebody else's timeline. That will be a symptom.
Jen (26:52.718)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (26:59.433)
Definitely overuse injuries that seem to play out, knees, lower back, ankles is a sensitive areas for those bodies as well. And digestive disruption. And that will then also inform that highly strung kind of feeling like I'm constantly processing, constantly on. And a diplomat, interestingly enough, when they're very stressed, particularly doing their early morning exercise, will totally collapse at 8pm and think, must be an early bird because I'm so tired.
Jen (27:25.934)
interesting.
Dr Cam (27:28.361)
Yeah. So they'll have this really good phase in the morning after their training, like three to four hours, then they'll crash in the afternoon and then they will get either a second wind or they'll just be exhausted for the rest of the day. Whereas if they take that morning, nice and slow, they'll just find they can feed energy out for the rest of the day. Quite easily. It's a smoother energy. So that, that double crash afternoon and then evening. Yeah.
Jen (27:52.43)
Hmm, interesting. I want to go into that other six, but we're not going to, I mean, the other four. When I mean, we'll talk, we'll cover this at the end, but if anyone's kind of wondering now going, where do I find out more about this? What's the, let's say if they're not an exercise professional, what's the best place for them to kind of, while they're listening to the rest, go and Google what they want to be finding out about themselves.
Dr Cam (27:57.257)
Yeah, yeah.
Dr Cam (28:11.529)
Yep. So shea .ai, S -H -A -E .ai, that's the, a simple website. You can do a, like a 10 day or a one year thing, and you can find out your type, you can find out your rhythms and all the various specifics. And then, so that would be, that's an easy one. And then, yeah, that would be the place to start for sure.
Jen (28:16.654)
Yep.
Jen (28:26.606)
Yep.
Jen (28:30.766)
Cool. Awesome, awesome. So if we've just talked about having a baseline of women's health and obviously we're gonna need to go explore what that means for ourselves. But if we start moving towards pregnancy, we're going to postpartum, but before pregnancy we have preconception. How can women, once they understand their type, do we call it a type? Is that right? Health type, start to use...
Dr Cam (28:53.513)
Mm -hmm. Yes, health top, yep.
Jen (28:59.758)
tools to make sure that they're in the best. I mean, now I'm saying that out loud. It's like, well, you just got to do what's right for you, but maybe you can give us more insight into how to, yeah.
Dr Cam (29:05.201)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's what you said. It's actually exactly what you said. So yeah, in pre prenatal, sorry, pre pregnancy, it's, it is actually getting your body into an optimal state of being. But probably one of the biggest things that we find to use these two examples, again, activators, go getters, and they are like, I want to go do this now. And I don't have patience for it.
Jen (29:15.502)
Freaking, freaking, yep.
Jen (29:21.326)
Yeah.
Dr Cam (29:34.825)
And can we just go on an adventure together? And I really like freedom. So as soon as you start throwing pregnancy into the mix, and particularly when the child comes along, guess who has an identity crisis? It's like, I can't do whatever I want anymore. And I've got to be on all of the time for this bloody child. So we'll get to that later as well. And of course, they're not a bloody child. They're a beautiful child. At times, activators are likely to say, that's right. Yes. So,
Jen (29:42.222)
Hmm.
Jen (29:52.718)
Yep.
We all have bloody children, I can think of that. And beautiful children.
Dr Cam (30:02.089)
So for an activator, it's actually about understanding. It's understanding the rhythms of their body. It will definitely support them. And some of the women that I've I've supported specifically, we find that activators have a anatomically shorter urethra. And some of the times where they've struggled getting pregnant, it's because they had a almost a subclinical or chronic UTI. And because of
the length of the urethra, we found that it was actually influencing their ability to fall pregnant and resolving that UTI was actually very important. So that's an activator specific thing, for example. So there's just a slight anatomical difference in that. Yeah.
Jen (30:46.574)
You know what's quite interesting? So there's that anatomical difference and then your activator's carrying more muscle. Yep, that's correct. Or is...
Dr Cam (30:49.897)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (30:53.545)
Modelina. Yep. Yep.
Jen (30:57.774)
they're generally they're doing their HIIT exercise. My brain's just gone then into hypertonic pelvic floor which that's okay. My brain just then went into women that have hypertonic or overactive pelvic floors again are more susceptible to UTIs than if they have a shorter urethra. I don't know if I'm on the right track but that's the connections that I just started to make.
Dr Cam (31:07.569)
sorry, I just missed, I missed about 10 seconds of you. Yeah.
Dr Cam (31:20.881)
Yep.
Dr Cam (31:26.537)
Yep. Very interesting. Yep. And that would be worth assessing as well. Like where, whereas the diplomat's going to be more hypotonic. Yep. So, yes. So there's going to be some differences there for sure. So, at least if you know that you're eating the right foods, doing the right kind of exercise and understanding your stress and what drives it and allowing yourself to feel that freedom, but also preparing your mind for the next challenge, which is the way to see it. Exactly. Yep.
Jen (31:31.214)
Mm.
Jen (31:35.726)
Yeah.
Jen (31:51.854)
Life's gonna change, yep.
Dr Cam (31:54.793)
which you're actually very good at changing the activators, but it's the freedom is a value to somebody with adrenal response. It's, I just want to be able to express fully. And so getting prepared for that change, what, how am I going to express fully as a mother is going to be an important thing to get your mind around. So then we have the diplomat. And once again, it is, it's actually about creating calm in their system because...
Jen (32:02.83)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (32:22.377)
the world in Australia particularly is not calm. It's very time -based. It's very, let's get as many outcomes as we can. Diplomats have got this great ability to get outcomes as well because they've got a very powerful brain, but the rhythm can create just a chronic state of tiredness essentially. And the, just that extra little bit of cortisol, which isn't so good for falling pregnant either.
And so, but what we also see with these individuals, they've got more lax collagen generally. So we're going to see more lower back things going on for them because their lower back is predominantly collagen, which means that you've got more mobility in your lower back and the collagen throughout the system, whether it be in the knees, their ankles, they're going to be more relaxed generally. And then you put on top of that, the relaxant that comes along with, with pregnancy, and you're going to see a lot more movement. And we would expect to see.
Jen (33:00.238)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (33:12.014)
Mm.
Dr Cam (33:17.545)
potentially greater risk of prolapse with this individual as well. And so what you would be doing pre -pregnancy is you would be making sure that you can do slower, heavier weights, or you put some weight on your back and you go for a big walk. Essentially what this does is it creates more tension in the collagen and it starts to thicken the collagen so that it's stiffer. And it's going to be important that they have good control over their, over their pelvic floor, over their abdominals, but
Sometimes it's not a matter of just activating the muscle. It's actually about getting to a point where they can do some kettlebell work or some dead lifts, which is going to put that particular tissue under a lot of tension and then strengthen the collagen. Cause a lot of muscle activation that we do is good for the muscle, but it doesn't necessarily strengthen the collagen because you've got to hold something on for five seconds. You know, you've got to, let's say you're doing, let's say you're doing a dead lift. You would be going down slowly for five seconds.
Jen (33:55.886)
Mmm.
Dr Cam (34:15.273)
keeping that body right, like that, the tissue under tension, but you wouldn't be doing it very heavy. You'd just be doing it. So there's tension. And then you might pause at the bottom for three seconds, isometric contraction. And then you come back up over three to four seconds. And that's going to really increase the thickness and strength of the collagen, but also activate the muscle tissue as well. And so this is where we can start to be a little bit more specific with our prescription around this too. And then the nutrients need to support that as well. And this is where.
Jen (34:17.774)
Hmm.
Jen (34:25.646)
Mm.
Dr Cam (34:42.953)
you know, having lots of sulfur compounds, vitamin C's and things that are then supporting collagen formation, it's all part of what would be the recommendation for this individual.
Jen (34:53.166)
Yeah, I didn't know that about collagen and how to promote collagen. Did you call it growth or stability or the increase of collagen through movement, the thickness? Yeah, yeah, right.
Dr Cam (35:02.729)
thickness actually. Yeah. Thickness and stiffness. Yeah, that's right. and, and then another consideration for that as well is even the timing of their day, if you're waking up really early and bootcamping, what we see in night hours is they're exposed to more cortisol for longer. And what that means cortisol will specifically degrade collagen. So you've got this person who's bootcamping every morning and has been for the last 12 weeks, they're sitting in a state of high cortisol, which makes you feel good for the morning.
Jen (35:14.638)
Mm.
Dr Cam (35:31.657)
but you crash in the afternoon. So you never blame the exercise. And so this person's actually now weaker, collagen wise, because they're not doing exercises that are slow and steady. They're doing fast explosive stuff and they're exposed to more collagen and you know, da da da da da. And so, and then we end up with actually a weaker collagen, but maybe stronger muscles, but that doesn't necessarily help them in this instance.
Jen (35:38.254)
Mmm.
Jen (35:58.094)
So somebody with less collagen, like signs and symptoms of that on their body, let's say that they're either pregnant now or they've had a baby, they're gonna see more stretch marks possibly.
Dr Cam (36:01.193)
Mm -hmm.
yep. Yep.
Dr Cam (36:10.217)
not necessarily. It depends on, because diplomats generally have a slightly bigger body as well, a bigger bone structure, so they might hold the pregnancy weight a little bit easier. It's more flexible collagen. It's not less, it's more flexible. So signs and symptoms that you would see are bendy elbows and bendy knees, you know, knees that sort of fold back on themselves and elbows that are hypermode. Exactly, yeah, that's the technical term for it. So that's a...
Jen (36:33.582)
So hypermobile, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr Cam (36:38.057)
That's actually a phenotype marker for the genes that we're talking about here. But even if you don't have that as a diplomat, we still know that there's more laxity in your joints even without that sign as well.
Jen (36:50.766)
So I'm fascinated by this because with more laxity that I would say.
there's less stretch marks. I'm going to get stuck on stretch marks for five minutes. Because what we do see is women who have, or I've spoke to a couple of women's health physios about this before. And if we see women that have a lot of stretch marks, then we're making, we don't like to assume anything, but we can start to consider that their tissue, their abilities for their tissue to kind of come back after being stretched is lower.
Dr Cam (37:02.633)
That's okay.
Dr Cam (37:24.809)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (37:27.342)
Therefore, you're potentially going to see that more pelvic floor weakness in that person. Is that kind of, is that making sense?
Dr Cam (37:27.433)
Yes.
Dr Cam (37:30.985)
Mm hmm. Yes. Yes. It does. It does. So I would say that it's, so the potential and the only reason that I'm, I'm not as confident on this is because I haven't looked at, stretch marks correlated to the health types, but I could definitely ask my community. It is very interesting. and the element that goes through my mind is because different, I've seen stretch marks on lots of different bodies ultimately.
Jen (37:43.886)
Mm.
Okay, yep. That's quite an interesting one. Yep, yep.
Dr Cam (38:00.745)
And I would say it's, it's more related to the rapid increase in gain will be one, the amount of stress that a person is under as well, because obviously that's going to predispose weakening of that collagen as well. And then over their nutrients too, will support as they go, whether it be the essential fatty acids, whether it be those micronutrients that we were speaking about before and others. So, but yes, I can't answer with as much confidence as I would like to. Yep.
Jen (38:05.71)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (38:26.99)
Yeah, that's okay. That's cool. okay. So let's say we've got, it could be one of the two types of one of the six types. some of the other things that we want to be aware of moving into carrying a baby that we could, again, Marcus that I don't know how to ask these questions because I want to dive deeper into things, but from your experience, like what are the other things that once we know our type, we can improve, make better during pregnancy.
Dr Cam (38:51.049)
Mm -hmm.
Dr Cam (38:55.209)
Yep. Yep.
Jen (38:57.198)
or support us during pregnancy is probably a better way to phrase that question.
Dr Cam (39:01.865)
Very good. So I think it's worth mentioning the impact of hormones on behavior and just understanding that different people are going to have a very different experience of how their identity changes. So some people are born mothers. And I say that because they actually have more prolactin naturally in their system anyway, and they are naturally nurturing. They love the idea of building a family like
Jen (39:07.278)
Mm.
Dr Cam (39:30.857)
plenty of kids actually makes all the sense in the world to their biology. Whereas some individuals have a lack of that. They don't have as much prolactin. They don't have as much oxytocin or the requirement for it. And they like to have, and also they're a lot less physically resilient. So now I'm talking about two different types. The guardian, the guardian is generally they've got a bigger and stronger body. They've got the biggest and strongest body naturally. They've got a bigger bone structure. They can hold more fat tissue naturally.
Jen (39:50.926)
Mm.
Dr Cam (39:59.561)
And all of this makes them more resilient, but it also correlates with a nurturing character. So we see that, and you'll know this, you'll know someone who's got always had a bigger body, but it just seems natural to them. And they're constantly trying to feed the world, you know, just, everyone come in, you can come into my, there's always enough in the pantry, you know, that totally nurturing Italian honor, I guess, is, or think Samoan Tongan populations as well. They're, they're a
country full of guardians, essentially, where everything is family oriented, everything's about the family, everything's about providing for the family. And that comes from this prolactin influence. So their experience of preparing for being a mother is actually going to feel incredibly natural. And it's almost inbuilt that they know what to do, because it's about selfless care for this child. Whereas for another person, particularly when they've got, this is the sensor, they've got less capacity to release cortisol, which means that you're more sensitive to pain.
Jen (40:46.51)
Mm.
Jen (40:57.454)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (40:57.577)
And there's a lot of pain that you go through when you are going through pregnancy. And it costs an incredible amount of energy, which this body doesn't have as much of in reserve. And so it's going to be something that they, they need to mentally prepare for. And one person is going to naturally just get what it is to care for a child. The other person is going to say, I need all of the information that I can possibly get. I want to study.
I want to know what the possible outcomes are. I want to know all of the little bits of details and you should feel good about getting that. So this is the really important thing is if you've got a natural inclination to just research and understand and that creates calm for you, don't let anybody tell you you're overthinking this. You know, you're trying to inform yourself too much because it's actually going to be an important part of your calm. Yeah.
Jen (41:32.046)
Mm.
Jen (41:49.262)
That's a really, really good piece of feedback because I think one, there is a lot of information out there and a lot of people will say, just stop reading, just don't look at it all. But then for other people, like you're just saying, they're gonna need to dive into that information and learn everything. And something that's been on my mind a lot lately is how much we deprive women of knowledge about their bodies in the general population anyway, without going this deeper layer that...
that you're sharing with us today. And I feel like for every woman, we need to find that sweet spot of the amount of education that we need to feel empowered because at the moment we're living in a state of women just, they're not told about anything. Like even into childbirth, like we're not told what could go wrong. We're not told all these things because it might scare us, which, you know, and if we relate it then back to the body types, you're gonna say that's gonna impact some people even more.
than others. And then are there types that just don't want to know that shit and they just want to deal with it later?
Dr Cam (42:54.505)
yeah, absolutely. so there's just like, we'll just, we'll just do it. Like, let's just don't bore me with all the detail. Like just tell me what we're doing here and I'll make snap decisions and let's go. What's interesting about those two though, like the snap decision person, and I need lots of information. Generally, there'll be a conflict in their, in their hormones in a way it's like for their whole life, they've been self -focused and being able to do the things that they want to do or.
Jen (42:59.246)
Yep.
Jen (43:04.27)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (43:23.497)
They've been able to conserve their energy very easily for the sensor. They've been able to have that freedom for the activator. And then they're going to get all of this hormone of, and now you've got to look after someone that's not you. And now you've got to commit all of your energy to something that's not you. And it's, you've got a body that's been doing a certain thing for 30 years. And now you've got a hormonal set that's come through to say, no, this is all about everyone else. And that conflict can think, why am I failing at this?
Jen (43:48.75)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (43:51.849)
I'm looking at these guardian mothers that just seem to really get it. Why don't I get it? Why don't I feel just completely attached to my child? And why aren't I wanting to spend all of the time in the world? But this is where I tell activators to do 20 minute parenting. You spend 20 minutes with them, you be awesome and excited, and then you take yourself away for 20 minutes and you have a break because that's what your energy is for. And the sense of the same deal. It's like plan your day to a T feel good about being a hyperplanned mother that has everything written down.
Jen (44:09.774)
I love that.
Dr Cam (44:21.577)
and has a baby on a schedule because that's going to make you feel good too. Like know that that's a great natural thing for you to lean into. And so, so much of this is about what is my natural impulse? Go with it, you know? And if I want to do something that makes me feel like I'm being myself, do more of that and tell everybody else to piss off, you know? It's a, it's because there's so many competing.
Jen (44:34.67)
Mmm.
Dr Cam (44:47.433)
social medias, books on how to do this thing properly. And we forget probably the thing I was going to say, and it's linked to this. And that is what I love culturally, even in Australia is that women call their moms in as soon as the baby arrives, because there's the ancestral knowledge there that can be co -opted. And just the fact that they've been through it once before they get it, this has just done so much better in other cultures where from the moment that parenting is even a thought in the mind is
rituals and ceremonies about consummating it and then nurturing the child as it's developing in the womb and people bringing things and knowledge and imparting wisdom the whole way through that journey to prepare this mother for then the baby comes and there's a beautiful celebration and there's all the community around like we do a tiny little fraction of that and it allows you to get a greater sense of.
It honors the intuition, but also honors the ancestral knowledge that we have too. And I would say this is generally, I think we need to be doing a lot more of this.
Jen (45:47.95)
Yeah.
Jen (45:52.462)
I want to dive straight in and then I want to dive into like all the parenting stuff. because you've got a parenting course, don't you? Like just so if people are going, I'm learning how to be a parent, you, there is a side course on not a side course, a whole other module or course on parenting and how to use this for parenting. That's correct. Yep.
Dr Cam (46:11.497)
That's right. Yeah. So once the child is two, we can understand their natural inclinations and you can start supporting them. But the other thing that I would say as well is on that is the more that you can understand yourself and the more that your partner can understand themselves as well, so that you understand what you're both bringing to this dynamic of parents. You might have a partner who just likes to plan and strategize and fix things.
Jen (46:14.702)
Yep.
Dr Cam (46:39.657)
And you might have a partner that doesn't like to plan or a mother that doesn't like to plan and just kind of wants to go with the flow. but just knowing those two dynamics exists to say, well, I need a plan. It's like, well, I don't, but to be able to say, Hey, I know, I know you love a plan and you're better with a plan. So let's help you with your plan. It's like, I don't need a plan as much. So you take care of the plan and I'll just do my, my awesome stuff over here. And it could be vice versa. So I would say that there's such, we know that.
Jen (46:52.526)
Mmm.
Dr Cam (47:08.201)
You know, the connection of the parents has such a powerful impact on the epigenetics of the child. We know that the happiness of the partner is also really important too. So a big part of everything that we're doing is helping people to be understood. And as soon as that happens, like you think about what it is to just be around your girlfriends that just totally get you and how calm and relaxed you feel and how the problems that were problems before you came to the lunch or the brunch dissipate.
Jen (47:21.518)
Mm.
Dr Cam (47:37.929)
after you've just spent time having a chat, just connecting and that that ability to connect. It's so easy to disconnect when you don't understand each other. And and so I would say the investment of time and understanding yourself, understanding your natural personality traits, leaning into those, looking for the strengths in your partner, how do they complement each other? Where are you on the same page? Where are you different? Having open conversations about that too.
you know, on top of the health stuff that you're doing, this is, it's such an important part of stress in your system. And is my community ready for this child? You know, that sense of, yeah.
Jen (48:19.662)
Yeah, it's so true as well, isn't it? Because we so if there is any kind of stuff going on with the child, we often go, how do we fix the child or how do we fix the situation? And what we can do a lot better is how do we work on ourselves to bring our better selves to the situation, which often supports the child, believe it or not, random that. Yeah. I'm watching time camp, but I would like to talk a little bit about as women are moving towards perimenopause, menopause,
Dr Cam (48:37.833)
Yeah. Yeah, believe it or not. Yep. Absolutely. Yep.
Jen (48:49.686)
Hormones are changing, you know, women are getting different symptoms. How can using what they've learned through Shay or Precision Health support them through that period?
Dr Cam (49:03.817)
Yeah, cool. So just on a couple of simple examples, food requirements are going to vary greatly between those two phases. We know that, for example, activators with their whole life is sex steroid production, right? That's where they're getting so much of the vibe of who they are from this active, proactive person. And because they're leaner, they don't make a whole lot of estrogen through their aromatase pathways, which is in their fat tissue.
So when they hit menopause, it's a sharp drop of the hormones that have made them them. And that is a, that's a, another identity crisis essentially of I don't have my go anymore. Where's my up and go. And they have to rely on their adrenals more to do that, which can then create a little bit more stress as well. So even the intensity of their exercise might need to be dialed back a little bit. And we're seeing this in, in a menopausal transition women, particularly activators and.
Jen (49:42.126)
Mmm.
Dr Cam (50:00.649)
we might see that Shea will push up some of the soy foods because with the phytoestrogen component, it actually buffers out that big lack of estrogen that they have. Whereas another individual, the guardians and the diplomats that naturally have more fat tissue that's healthy, that's appropriate, they will buffer some of their estrogen loss through the aromatase pathways. They'll be able to make some themselves. And so they may not experience the same shift. And also they're not...
Jen (50:08.75)
Interesting.
Dr Cam (50:28.521)
go, go, go, sex steroid driven individuals. So they may actually find that it's a slightly different experience because they're not seeing there's such a sharp change in their hormones. What we're seeing, there's a few health professionals that work specifically in this space. We have a, they've got a couple of programs and I'm sure that these are very repeatable if other people were to do them as well. And that is they create a whole lot of connection around what is this thing that we're going through.
Jen (50:34.318)
Hmm.
Dr Cam (50:57.769)
And so people have a facility to talk about it. But then they run a 10 -day personalized protocol that essentially sits within the app itself. You can just grab it yourself. And after a month of that connection and getting ready, going through the 10 days, the stats that we have are really quite remarkable from this one program. And it's the biggest by far. She'll say, she keeps saying 100%. But I'm going to say 95 % of individuals will essentially
see improvements in their symptoms by doing something that's right for them. So the very important thing about this and everything about personalization is it's not about the condition, it's about the person who has the condition. So if you put the person into the right environment for what they need in this moment in time, then the condition improves. You can't just take cancer and give everybody the same treatment because the condition is different in different people. So exactly.
Jen (51:37.871)
Hmm.
Jen (51:51.342)
The body is different. Yep. Yep.
Dr Cam (51:53.545)
So, and that's where Shay will actually adjust for what stage are you at? What nutrients are you going to need? What's your body composition doing right now? Where do you live in the world right now? You know, what are your current disease risks that go outside of the menopausal transition and how might they be heightened at this time? And it will actually customize the program for the individual. So it's, but even just those two examples, you know, different foods are going to be required. You see all of the literature, yeah, soy is good.
Jen (52:09.71)
Yeah.
Dr Cam (52:23.369)
But then it's not going to be great for everybody because there was a whole bunch of literature before that to say, so it wasn't so good. Exactly. So this is where it's great for some people and less required for others. And it's actually understanding that difference that makes that research much more powerful.
Jen (52:27.182)
See, so he's bad, right? Yeah.
Jen (52:39.502)
And then you'll have people that I guess are at higher risk of, we touched very briefly on kind of prolapse and things before, but as they're getting older, as their estrogen and hormones change, they become even higher at risk of prolapse later in life than they were postpartum.
Dr Cam (52:47.241)
Yes.
Dr Cam (52:55.825)
Yep, very good. And then if that's compounded by additional stresses in your life as well, firstly, and this is where the collagen is still going to be playing a role, absolutely. And then that's mirrored by cardiovascular disease risk, which becomes incredibly relevant for women going through menopause, type 2 diabetes, those conditions are more likely in some individuals and less likely in others. So the
Jen (53:09.166)
Yep.
Jen (53:23.982)
Mm.
Dr Cam (53:26.249)
It's, I mean, I would say, and it's, it can be said that resistance training for women is absolutely critical for all of those things. But the way that you would go about it, a sensor would go about it, through, lightweight high rep training, whereas a guardian will actually do very well with heavier weights and lower and slower reps. So their biomechanics still predispose them to what's the kind of training that's actually going to.
maintain your health, but also give you the strength that you need to.
Jen (54:00.398)
Yeah, which is a fascinating conversation. I am going to start to wrap it up because we've got so many people or exercise professionals now going, well, if you're over 40, you need to do this. Stop doing that. Do this. And what I'm hearing you say is, well, maybe not based on who you are as a person.
Dr Cam (54:09.481)
Yes.
Dr Cam (54:15.657)
Yeah, well, probably the best bit of research on this started 30 years ago, but we seem to take a long time to get this stuff out into practice. And it's been repeated just in the last few years is if you've got the genetics for strength training and you do strength training, like then you'll get stronger and fitter from a VO two perspective. If you have got the genes for endurance training and you do endurance training, you get fitter and stronger from doing endurance training. So it's, there's a genetic predisposition that we have.
There's biomechanical predispositions that we have. You look at someone who's tiny and skinny and, you know, ready for high jump. You're not putting 200 kilos on their shoulders, you know, cause it's going to break all of the vertical bones in their body. You know, that's just what's going to happen. Of course they're going to need, they've got longer, longer levers with a tinier muscle belly that's designed for lighter weight and lots of reps, but you just take it through to fatigue. It might be 30 to 40 reps. They go to fatigue and you get the same kind of muscle growth. And we've seen.
Jen (54:57.902)
Yep.
Dr Cam (55:14.729)
this happen really powerfully, whereas you take somebody with much shorter levers, shorter arms, bulkier muscle, and you put weight on them and they, their biomechanics improve. But if you give them really light weights, they don't even get to use their bigger motor units. And so they don't get the benefit. So it's, and, and I'm even supporting an 85 year old at the moment. And he found out it's a, it's a guy, which I know is off, off brand for this, but the,
Jen (55:29.166)
Yeah.
Dr Cam (55:41.865)
I just said, you're an activator. You need to be doing stuff and be, you know, go getting, and he said, well, I haven't been doing any of that. I said, great. What do you want to do? And he said, I want to write a book. I said, great. I want a chapter by the end of the week. He's like, this feels good. Like, let's get back into being an activator. He's 85. And this is where you can, this stuff has a, it flows on through your life. It's the core of who you are. And when you get back to who you are, that's when health occurs as well. So, anyway, that was more than more detailed than what I planned.
Jen (55:54.286)
my gosh.
Jen (56:04.238)
Yep.
Jen (56:10.062)
No, it was actually amazing because it came full circle to write what you said at the beginning, which was to understand who we are and do the best that we can and be good enough based on who we are rather than trying to do all of these things that stretches outside of that and make us feel like we're not good enough or not keeping up or all the rest of it.
Cam, we've not delved into health professionals, but I think from this conversation, it's really obvious that if you are an exercise professional, you're in the allied health world or whatever it may be that people are gonna be able to further personalize their programming and what they're doing with clients. Do you wanna give us just a very small snippet on something for fitness professionals and then how they can get more information?
Dr Cam (56:58.185)
Sure. So as a health professional, we've got a, we've got a essentially a foundational course that takes you through a bucket load of the principles that we've been talking about today, but in more depth. And also familiarizes you with the technology so that you can essentially be assessing people accurately and understanding what's going to support all of these different facets of their health. But also you learn how to behaviorally coach people in a much better way. So a person who's a nurturer,
Jen (57:25.582)
Mm.
Dr Cam (57:27.465)
needs nurturing. A person who is completely disconnected and or not disconnected, but introverted, just wants detail. They don't need your hugs. They just want the detail. Other people definitely want the hugs. And so we actually teach you on how do these behavioral genetics play out? How can you use the technology to use it as part of your business? But also just to get better results with people. We have a whole lot of ongoing professional development, both free and paid, that allows you to keep deepening your information here too. So that's
That's through the Precision Health Alliance and there's courses that run three times a year and they're incredibly valuable. Just for the course itself, you'll get so much out of it for sure.
Jen (58:05.39)
Cool. We'll put all that information in the show notes so people can click on through. Thank you for joining me, us today. I've learned a lot. There's so many different tangents that I want to go on with you. So I don't know. I see more conversations, whether it's on or off the podcast in our future. But Cam, just to wrap us up, if there was one change or one mission in the world that you'd like to see fulfilled,
Dr Cam (58:23.273)
Yeah, totally. I love that.
Dr Cam (58:33.929)
Hmm. Hmm.
Jen (58:33.934)
in your career, what would that be?
Dr Cam (58:38.697)
It is.
Yeah, I mean, LL.
Our, our governing vision is, is very much what I want to see. And like, if, if anyone wants an example of this, like something like, if anyone's seen the movie Elysium, it's like when there's, it's like a dystopian world and essentially you put your body on a scanner and it regenerates your tissue and it brings you back to life and cures disease, all of that sort of stuff. That level of frequency healing, but understanding the body and what it needs that is without a doubt in our, in our future, in our lifetime. So to have.
no disease where disease is accessibly and affordably eliminated without the dystopian element of Elysium, like everybody gets it. So that, but where this truly comes to life is where you really have a good sense of who you are and that's what you bring. So I know that I love talking about this stuff. I know that I love researching about it. I know that I love
Jen (59:21.55)
you
Dr Cam (59:45.641)
interacting with people in all the ways that I can about personalization. And essentially this is what my life is. And this is why I love my life because I feel like I'm bringing my gifts and my strengths and my passions to the world and to life each day. And so many people are so far away from that because they are just doing a thing that they think they have to, to, to survive and, and to change this conversation around, Hey, what are you amazing at? What are you amazing at?
and can bring to this world. Well, let's get you to do that and see how you feel and watch people come alive when they do this. And one little story on that. We had an anesthetist, she'd done 12 years of medical training and she found out that she was a connector in our profile. But her nuanced profile said, hey, you should really not do things that are burdened with stress on a day -to -day basis. And she comes to me after about six months.
Jen (01:00:30.382)
Mm.
Jen (01:00:40.686)
Okay.
Dr Cam (01:00:42.697)
It goes, I've got a clipboard of 20 people here that are life and death based on whether I give them the right, you know, sedative. This is stressing me out. So I've realized I read that statement in my profile at a really interesting time. So I quit. And now I'm being a wellness consultant for GPs and I love it. And it's like, I've gone from high stress environment to what is my, I love working with people who are not asleep. You know, I want to, I actually want to, I want to.
Jen (01:00:57.278)
my gosh.
Dr Cam (01:01:12.585)
be around them. I want to interact with them and help them and not burn out. And, you know, it just allowed her to shift. I would have never suggested that she quit, you know, ever. She did it of her own volition because she realized, man, my gifts are served elsewhere. Like this is not who I am. And to have that realization is so powerful. And I want that forever.
Jen (01:01:28.078)
Yeah.
Jen (01:01:33.87)
Yeah, and I just wrote down what I heard you say and what stood out for me was that we all have a good sense of who we are and what we bring. And I think if we can all kind of take that into our day from wherever people are listening to today and kind of reflect on, am I doing and being who I am and bringing my gifts into the world? Yeah, awesome.
Dr Cam (01:01:55.561)
Yeah. And then helping other people recognize the same thing in them too. Like it can sometimes it's easier to see other people's strengths in your own. So just start telling people around you that how great they are and what they're great at. It's a good start.
Jen (01:01:59.246)
Absolutely.
Jen (01:02:04.49)
Yeah, I love it. Thank you so much for being with us today. I'll make sure all of the information is available for people to get in terms of the links. But if people want to follow along, do you hang out on social media? Like where do you like to connect with people?
Dr Cam (01:02:19.529)
Yeah, Dr. Cam McDonald on Instagram, all one word. PH360, PH360 underscore PHA is the Precision Health Alliance Instagram. You can just rewind that bit and get that again. And then Precision Health Alliance on Facebook and LinkedIn. And I'm pretty active on those channels. Yeah.
Jen (01:02:30.606)
Yep.
Jen (01:02:37.774)
Amazing. Beautiful. Thank you so much. I will chat to you soon. Take care.
Dr Cam (01:02:43.113)
Thanks, Jen.
