Jacqui Somerville (00:00.892)
Jack is fine.
Jen (00:02.495)
Jack, welcome to the Mums Safe Movement podcast. How are you today?
Jacqui Somerville (00:07.58)
Good morning, Jen. I'm really good. How are you?
Jen (00:10.079)
I'm good, I'm good. And I do always when I say that I'm like, are people just gonna go I'm good? Or are we gonna have honest answers? And I was like, when I was saying it back, I am actually good this morning.
Jacqui Somerville (00:15.548)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (00:20.252)
Yes good, I am too. I've just come off a weekend away off -grid so I'm genuinely really good.
Jen (00:25.215)
Amazing. And people that have been listening for a while that will probably know that there's a few up and downs in my life when it comes to going to school in the morning. And it's the last week of term here in Queensland now. And miraculously, we can go to school because there's a lot lower demand on what is having to be done in the classroom. So that's a real interesting learning lesson for me, but also relief that, bye. She's gone. Yep.
Jacqui Somerville (00:33.692)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (00:49.436)
Yeah. Yeah. Whew.
Jen (00:54.943)
Jack, Jack, let's start with a word, a when, and a working on.
Jacqui Somerville (00:59.324)
My word is rejuvenated. Like I said, just come off a weekend away in a farm stay, feeling all of the full cup feelings. So yes, definitely rejuvenated. A win. I have 32, as we call them, opportunities to exercise within my business. And 30 of those are full at present. So that is a huge win. Yeah, loving where we're at at the moment.
Jen (01:22.111)
Amazing, that is fantastic.
Jacqui Somerville (01:26.492)
And working on is working on more the online offering of my business. So I'm working on promoting that now that I've got just about full bums on seats in face -to -face classes, it's exploring the online options. So, yeah.
Jen (01:36.895)
Yeah.
Nice, nice. And are you looking at the online because you want to grow a product that's not face to face or what's the reasoning for you going doing the online?
Jacqui Somerville (01:50.684)
I think it's twofold, not growing a product like you said, that's not face to face from a working mum perspective allows me a little bit more freedom of time and flexibility. And also from what I can offer to clients in that capacity, you know, if we can have those conversations and get a little bit more in depth and let those conversations be in the snippets of time throughout the day that work for us. Again, amidst the chaos of motherhood, I feel like we can dive a little bit deeper into.
you know, wellbeing as a whole and individual solutions. So.
Jen (02:26.911)
Jack tell us a little bit about how you got to where you are today. So what I would love to know is what was the journey that led you to doing what you do now and then obviously a little bit about your business and where you're located because you do have those face -to -face sessions so there may be somebody that goes I want to go train with Jack. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (02:44.828)
Where is she? I'm going to take you right back, Jen, because I feel like it's a valid part of my journey. I grew up with a mother who exercised a lot and often for the wrong reasons, bless her heart. We have an incredible relationship now, but I picked up a lot of those habits. I developed an eating disorder at 17 and was really quite unwell.
Jen (02:50.463)
Nice.
Jacqui Somerville (03:07.836)
And I worked with a psychologist, I worked with a dietician and I worked with a personal trainer really, really closely and really intensely for quite some time to support my recovery. And the things that the personal trainer worked with me on and supported me through, it just really stuck with me. So that was my big driver to get into the fitness industry myself to...
continue that journey and continue caring for my body and teaching other people to do the same thing, you know, nurturing ourselves rather than punishing ourselves with movement and with exercise. So I've always done, you know, loads of group fitness, loads of Les Mills classes, that kind of thing was always my on the side job. I'm an electrician as well, but that's in a past life. I'm not going back there, Jen.
Jen (03:50.143)
Thank you.
Jen (03:54.399)
really interesting it's funny when I was leaving school I was like I could do a trade and then someone talked about electricians and then they talked about crawling under was that electricians or plumbers at that time and I was like I'm not doing that spiders and shit.
Jacqui Somerville (04:02.396)
no, yeah, I did not love it. I did the trade because I wanted to do electrical engineering. And my husband being a tradesperson was like, you're not going to be a textbook engineer, you need to do the trade so you understand what's happening. I'm like, all right. So I got through my four years, did not love it and just went, why would I study another four or six or even eight years for something I don't love? So.
Jen (04:24.415)
Yeah.
Jen (04:28.095)
But how cool is that though? Because you're, I mean, it's becoming more and more normal for women to do practical trades now, but it wasn't, I think you might be a bit younger than me, but I don't think it was when we were younger.
Jacqui Somerville (04:34.972)
Yes.
Jacqui Somerville (04:40.348)
No, no, definitely. Well, even when I did my study, there was myself and one other female in TAFE. So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jen (04:43.263)
Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Can I ask you a question before you tell us more about your journey, if it's okay with you, are you happy to talk a little bit more about the disordered eating that you picked up or the eating disorder that you picked up? I don't even know if that's the right terminology, but I guess for me, I'm wondering, and this is, you don't have to answer anything that you don't want to, but what was it that you picked up from your mom? And again,
Jacqui Somerville (04:51.228)
Yep. Yep.
Jacqui Somerville (04:59.292)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen (05:11.487)
your story not hers because we, yep, that led you down that path. Are you comfortable talking about that? Okay.
Jacqui Somerville (05:13.404)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (05:19.164)
Yeah, absolutely. I think it was a lack of control in other areas of my life. And then you come back to the one thing that you can, in air quotes, control is what you're consuming, right? And how much you're moving your body. So I was, yeah, I was purging through exercise. I was certainly not eating enough. And I think the trigger for me was moving from where I lived with my family when I finished high school.
Jen (05:25.151)
Mm.
Jen (05:32.095)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (05:46.012)
I moved up north of Queensland. My sister was there, but I didn't have a group of friends of my own. It was just a huge life change. And that became the thing that I could control. That became the thing that I focused all my energy on and yeah, it definitely went too far the other way.
Jen (05:56.671)
Hmm.
Jen (06:03.839)
Yeah. And was there eating disorders for your mum, do you think as well? Or, okay. So if, what are the things that that experience then has heightened to you what we could as mothers, cause there'll be mothers listening, do or not do around our small people?
Jacqui Somerville (06:09.948)
Yes. Yep. Yep. Absolutely.
Jacqui Somerville (06:24.476)
This is a huge one that I work on with my clients is I think it's, I don't know whether it starts and I'd love to have this conversation with you too Jen. Does it start with the healing that we need to do for ourselves? But at twofold, if we already have children I'm like, we can also start implementing some changes in the language that we use with our children and the way we behave around food and exercise in front of them. It's like which comes first and which is going to be more healing and.
Jen (06:26.719)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (06:53.724)
and more beneficial, but absolutely first and foremost, it's exploring the stories, I think, and the mindset that we have around our own health, around our own worth and our value and whether that's tied up in aesthetics, which I think so many of us grew up hearing that or learning that, whether that be from our families or not, whether that be from social conditioning and all of these different.
You know, all of these different places that we get information from, it's not just our families, it's society as well. So I kind of stand in a place where I, I'm like, let's do our best to create a safe space in the home and create a body neutral space in the home and a food neutral space in the home so that no matter what noise our next generation hears outside, this is a safe space to come back and unpack all of that and to know that their worth is.
Jen (07:23.839)
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (07:46.812)
is far greater than any aesthetic feature.
Jen (07:50.463)
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? And what I heard you say then is it a thing that comes from the language that happens at home or does it come from what is happening outside of the home? And I know that when I was growing up, what year were you born, Jack? Can you share? Are you happy to share? Okay, I'm older than you, I was 81. But we had, it was size zero in magazines. There was no social media, but it was size zero in magazines. And...
Jacqui Somerville (07:52.956)
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (08:02.844)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (08:07.932)
89. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (08:16.796)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (08:20.703)
That was what we, well, I aspired to. And I definitely thought that smaller was better. I knew it more worthwhile if you're smaller. And I'll be super honest, it's something like I battle with every single day. Like you look in the mirror and it's like, well, I used to be. And I know that this is just stupid shit language that is not helpful. So I don't, it doesn't come out of my brain and I'm now have enough awareness to go, that was not probably the best and most productive thing to carry around with you. Let's.
Jacqui Somerville (08:25.724)
Yes.
Jacqui Somerville (08:32.028)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (08:50.204)
Yeah.
Jen (08:50.623)
and look at the things you can do and it's about strength and it's about ongoing health because we know that eating disorders are not a source of longevity, like you're starving yourself. But I do again think about what we do say to our kids and I think I'm listening to what my sister's very good at this and even so she'll do things like dessert gets eaten.
Jacqui Somerville (08:56.284)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (09:02.524)
Absolutely. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (09:10.364)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (09:19.039)
Dessert is not a reward for eating food. If you want to eat ice cream, you can eat that alongside your spaghetti bolognese if that's what you want to. And her daughter will eat a bit of ice cream, eat the spaghetti and then leave the ice cream. Whereas I definitely brought my kids up on the dessert is what you get after the dinner. And it's the more we learn. Yeah. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (09:22.012)
your dinner. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (09:35.844)
Yeah, yeah. And the clearing your plate and all of these different things that you may not think that much about. And then you go, yeah, it's like you said, we need to, I think all of us, and even I work with my clients on this as well, where can we get back to a space of trusting our gut brain? And when our body says we're hungry for something, we can eat that thing. And when it says we're full, we're full, you know, it's...
Jen (09:49.279)
Mmm.
Jen (09:59.135)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (10:03.612)
Our children do that, don't they? They tell us when they're hungry, they eat as much as they want to eat and if they're not hungry, they won't eat. And like you said, I do the same as your sister with my kids now. I have to, I'm not good at it all of the time. I'm learning to, but I'm learning to serve up a few lollies with lunch or a few, you know, a brownie or whatever the, what we may consider a treat to be with that food. And it amazes me how often they barely touch it or...
Jen (10:24.479)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (10:30.396)
They go for the veggies first and then they come back to it and they and I just go, that's cool to see before they get conditioned by anything external that they just trust their bodies, they eat what they want to eat and they enjoy it. Wow, if we could all go back to that place. There'd be so much more brain space for all of the awesome stuff, right?
Jen (10:35.807)
Mm.
Jen (10:43.679)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there's a -
Absolutely. Yeah, because it does take up an absolute shitload of brain space when you're consumed with what you're eating and what your body looks like. It really does. And then, Jack, so let's say, I mean, I always, again, had this belief that, so when you're doing that to yourself as a teenager or someone in your early 20s, you're overexercising your under -eating, you're fucking your metabolism up basically, like, and at some point you've got to reset it and...
Jacqui Somerville (10:58.108)
Yep, yep, absolutely, yep, yep.
Jacqui Somerville (11:16.54)
Yes.
Jen (11:17.631)
I don't know, people might not like hearing this, but potentially having a baby in a socially acceptable way in your brain, in that messed up brain of yours is an okay way to put weight on. And if we can capture that woman at that point, maybe we can not only reset her feelings about her body and the way she moves forward and release her from all of that stuff, and then also release the next generation from watching her go through that as well.
Jacqui Somerville (11:37.148)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (11:43.292)
big time and I see it so often I feel like that, like you said, after you have a baby is a pivotal moment to choose, fork in the road, like visualize, am I going to choose to punish myself and to decide I want to, the term that we hate, get my pre -baby body back or aim for something that I'm going to absolutely grind for? Or am I gonna go, let me actually do the deep work and let me do the work around my value and my mindset and what I truly desire from life. And when you can,
Jen (11:57.567)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (12:12.668)
uncover that, like I guarantee, and it's my favourite saying, I train to add life to my years and years to my life. And that is, that is the thing that will get me moving and get me looking after myself above and beyond anything else. Because if I could choose to have a body or to be happy and healthy and watching my children get married and have their own children, I can tell you every day of the week which one I'm choosing, right? And we just need to retrain ourselves.
to get back to that space. And like you said, it's our first thought still to this day is not always a body positive thought. It's not always kind. We can't always choose our first thought, but the more we start to reframe that second thought, the more we build that neural pathway, the second thought can become your first thought over time, you know, and you can reach a place of body neutrality.
Jen (13:03.775)
I like that. I like that. That was, that was a really good one. We didn't even plan to talk about that.
Jacqui Somerville (13:05.436)
That's my golden nugget for the day. That's it, Jen. I'm done. This is the segue that we knew would come up.
Jen (13:17.759)
We knew it was coming from somewhere. That was amazing. Thank you for that insight. And I think it's, these are conversations that women need to be having with other women. We talk about pelvic floors, we talk about all those things, and we say we need to talk about these things. And we need to talk about the shit that happens in our brain and calling ourselves to a, I don't want to say better place, but a different place in a way that we want to live for the rest of our lives.
Jacqui Somerville (13:41.404)
Yeah, and I think a better place in terms of like we said, the less brain noise, the less mess in your head, it is so much better. Like if there's anyone listening that goes, can I make it to the other side? I am living proof that you can. And my goodness, it is so much more free over here. It's worth the, like you said, rebuilding your metabolism and, you know.
shifting from a restrictive place of eating and exercising and all of that kind of stuff. It might be icky along the journey. In fact, I probably guarantee it will be a little bit icky and yucky, but gosh, it's worth it to unpack all of that stuff and yeah, just like yourself. It's so nice to like me.
Jen (14:17.631)
I mean, it's, yeah, it's an icky, it is, and it's an icky and yucky place when the constant thoughts are, what food am I consuming? How much am I eating? How many calories does this rice cracker have in it? And like, I don't know, constant worries about what you look like.
Jacqui Somerville (14:28.508)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (14:32.764)
Yeah, yeah. And it's like people that saying, which I don't love the way it's generally used, which is choose your heart, right? And people, it used to be choose your heart as in, were you going to be overweight or are you gonna choose the heart of going to the gym and eating well? And I'm like, no, let's choose the heart of sitting in a shitty mindset or the heart of working through the shitty mindset because working through it.
Jen (14:40.127)
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (14:57.084)
It has an end in sight. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, whereas staying there, it's just not going to get any better, is it?
Jen (15:03.999)
No, it doesn't. And it is, I think, choose your heart across all of the things in life for me. It goes like, do you just sit in this place because it's not yet uncomfortable enough to move? Or do you face whatever's going on head on and move through the heart? Because at least that way there is an end, a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like the only way is through, the obstacle is the way, the only way through is through. It's all that, that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Okay, if I haven't distracted you too much, you remember where you were.
Jacqui Somerville (15:21.308)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (15:25.692)
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Jacqui Somerville (15:31.964)
I'm like, where were we?
Jen (15:33.439)
in your journey so you'd you'd you
Jacqui Somerville (15:37.372)
So I've been working always for about 15 years doing yes, part -time group fitness, working as an electrician. My husband, so we're originally from Townsville, North Queensland. My husband floated the idea of moving to Perth, which my family absolutely despised, but here we are in Perth. And that with this was kind of my bargain for him, Jen, to be honest. I was like, if you're...
Jen (15:39.999)
Electricians. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (16:01.02)
I'm keen, but if you're taking me away from my friends and my family and everything that I know and love and you're still FIFO and I'm there on my own a large portion of the time, I will be doing the work that I love. It's like I will be working in the fitness space. Take it or leave it. He's like, all right, fine. I signed off my trade. I finished my capstone. I was like, put the boots in the bin. I'm literally done. I'm not going back.
Jen (16:08.127)
man!
Jen (16:24.703)
Do you do anything around the house? Like do you do the electric? No, she's like, no.
Jacqui Somerville (16:28.444)
No, don't tell anyone Jen. I mean if a fan needs to be replaced then sure I'm gonna do that but totally legal Yeah, yeah But on the other hand Jen, I was always fearful like you hear those stories of And I hate even thinking about it, but the children that get zapped from a house tap or something Do you know and I'm just like I did not love that profession enough to be really good at it I will not go back because
Jen (16:34.207)
I just think it's so cool that you can do that stuff. Like, it's such a cool superpower for a female to have, yeah.
Jen (16:49.695)
God.
Jacqui Somerville (16:58.492)
Unless I feel like, you know, unless you think you're a top notch electrician, that's a big, big responsibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I love working with free and personable women. I think I'm pretty good at that. So here we are. So yeah, when we moved over here, I worked in a local council fitness facility, like a recreation center, swimming pools, gyms, the whole kit and caboodle.
Jen (17:02.399)
Don't be doing it, yeah. That's so true.
Jen (17:12.671)
I think you're good at it too. So that was a bonus. That's good.
Jacqui Somerville (17:27.644)
And it was when I had William, so he is, gosh, nearly four. I knew all of the what to do. Like I was studying my pre and post natal. I was like, I know all of this stuff. But for me, the big journey then was transitioning into how to actually mold this into my life now that I have a little person who needs me, Mellie 24 -7.
And it just, again, that was a big journey for me mentally to go from being someone who could train when I wanted to train at the intensities that I wanted to, because hey, I was sleeping really well and I was nourishing myself really well. And like you look back now and you're like, gosh, you have so much capacity, free kids. And then when that all changed, I went, I can't be the only person struggling with this. Like I am a trainer and I know the what to do and I'm still finding it really hard to navigate.
Jen (18:02.143)
haha
Jacqui Somerville (18:21.244)
So that's the space that I love to work in now is supporting moms to navigate that. Everything's changed. Like let's not sugarcoat it. Everything changes when you have children, your body, your hormones, your mind, your time availability, your relationships. Like just so much gets thrown up in the air. And it's like, how do we juggle those pieces of the puzzle when they come falling back down? How can we rebuild and create?
balance really and I know a lot of people don't love that word but it's probably one of my favorites because I'm like as much as you know you can say what is balance I think it's really individual and I think what is balance well to me right balance is the balance between my own needs as an individual and then the support that I need as a mother and my family.
Jen (19:02.111)
I was gonna say to you, what is balance to you?
Jacqui Somerville (19:15.804)
and what they need from me. And then there's, you know, there's balance between business. But so I'm constantly going, am I in a space where I feel like all of those parts of me and all of those parts that I want to nurture are being nurtured? Or do I feel like the scales are tipping too far one way and I need to come back and either give a little more time to my business or give a little more time to myself, the individual, which is where I've been lately. Like.
Yeah, so I still think it's something that whilst we may never be able to attain it, it can be a good question to go, well, where do I think I need to shift my focus a little bit? And I think your balance changes throughout life, right? With each chapter, with each age of your children and with each different stage for mothers, whether it be, you know, your balance while you're on maternity leave compared to your balance when you return back to work, it's going to change.
Jen (19:53.887)
I mean.
Jacqui Somerville (20:11.612)
So, yeah, I think supporting people in supporting mums in trying to attain that.
Jen (20:21.535)
Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that I heard you say, which I'm a huge advocate for you separated the individual with the mother. And I think that too often, we the message that we in the fitness industry are really big for this. And I know that I let this podcast out there, there's articles out there that I'm like, look after yourself. So you can be the best mom you can be. And it's like, fuck that look after yourself because you deserve to be looked after. Exactly. And
Jacqui Somerville (20:46.716)
You are worthy.
Jen (20:49.887)
Yes, the outcome of being looked after yourself is that you potentially have more availability and energy and emotional capacity and all of those things to be in the other roles that you need to be in, but that should not be your main driver to go to the gym or do the thing.
Jacqui Somerville (21:02.94)
No.
Absolutely. On the flip side, Jen, I will say if that's the catalyst, then run with it. Do you know what I mean? If you're in that space, and I have been in this space recently where I'm like, I'm definitely not, like I've had bouts of mum rage, it's a whole nother story. I've had moments where I'm like, I do not like the way that I'm showing up. And so in that moment, my driver is that I want to train so I can show up as a better mother.
Jen (21:10.175)
Interesting. Yeah.
Jen (21:21.937)
I can, yeah, I'm done.
Jacqui Somerville (21:33.468)
And so I'm like, if that's the thing that gets me to train today, that's okay. That's not the whole story. But if that's the thing that takes a mother from not doing anything postpartum to starting to explore some exercise, some better nutrition, taking care of herself, and we can then mold her into a place of, hey, you're worthy of this, all things aside. Do you know what I mean? It's not the full story, but.
Jen (21:38.047)
Mm.
Jen (21:45.951)
Yeah.
Jen (21:59.007)
Yeah, I do. I think it's the difference between it being the trigger or the moment of recognition versus the underlying driver. And if your underlying belief is that you have to look after yourself so that you can be in service of others, there's more work to be done versus I'm noticing that I am yelling at my kids. I'm noticing that I am not the calm in the storm. I'm noticing that I am.
Jacqui Somerville (22:05.628)
Yes.
Jacqui Somerville (22:10.268)
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (22:19.708)
100 %
Jen (22:28.031)
all of these things and therefore I'm gonna act on that and get the care that I need for myself to be able to then come back into this situation and show up the way that I want to show up. Then I think that's the, it's like the difference between isn't it? It's like, yeah, the difference between with, you know, somebody wants to lose weight, nothing wrong with wanting to lose weight, but what is the driver behind that? Is the driver behind that a lack of self -worth? I believe my partner will love me better. I will be more valued in the world. That's what.
Jacqui Somerville (22:39.868)
Yes, you're right.
Jacqui Somerville (22:50.044)
Mmm.
Jen (22:57.823)
versus, you know what, I think I'm pretty fucking awesome the way I am. And I'm interested to see what happens when I do this with my body or when I do this in this kind of way. So it's, yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (23:05.692)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (23:09.82)
Yeah, I like that.
Jen (23:12.575)
Yeah. Jack, talk to me about priorities. So we've kind of talked about, she's like, yes, yes. I mean, it's, it's, we've talked about wanting to look after ourselves for ourselves and look after ourselves to be great humans. How do we do that?
Jacqui Somerville (23:22.972)
Yay!
Jen (23:40.927)
And how do we prioritize? Like, how do you, I don't know if I'm phrasing this in a very good way, but I know sometimes that I know that I need to stop, but I think if I stop, then I'm taking away from something else, whether that's work or, so how do you know what to prioritize? And then how do you support a mom to prioritize herself when she thinks she just has to be there for her kids all the time?
Jacqui Somerville (23:46.236)
Hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (24:06.524)
I think the most powerful thing, and I'm scared to say this because I feel like in some ways it undermines what I offer. I think sometimes the most powerful thing that I can offer as a coach, Jen, is those conversations to actually help people unpack, you know, where really are you at now? What's really going on for you?
And let's explore, I have a tool that I use with my clients that I call the Wheel of Wellness. I base it on the Wheel of Life. You know how you've got your career aspects. You know the Wheel of Life where you've got your career, your relationships, your contribution, all of the different pieces of the puzzle. And I've kind of pulled it back to what we can do or what we can focus on as mothers within our realm right now. So, you know, career is not a thing right now. Let's focus on some other pieces.
Jen (24:29.727)
Cool.
Tell us this whale. I love it.
Jacqui Somerville (24:53.468)
And so it might be rest, it might be, you know, it might be strength and fitness and things like that. But oftentimes it is rest or it's spiritual self care. You know, we've gone so far into parenthood and just getting by that we forget to do the things that fill our own cups. And sometimes then having that conversation with people and going, well, do you know what your homework for the week is actually to sit down with your partner or sit down with your support network and say, I'd love some time for myself.
how do we think we can make this work? And it might be from one end of the scale that bedtime becomes the partner's role and they do bedtime stories. And you then take that 10 or 15 minutes to go and do, not the dishes, not sweeping the floor, like go and do, read a book or do some artwork or go for an evening walk or whatever it is that's going to fill your cup. Or it might be the other end of the scale, which it is for me, where I go and I'm blessed to be able to shuffle my work in weeks like this, but.
Jen (25:35.455)
hahahaha
Jen (25:42.495)
Get out of the house.
Jacqui Somerville (25:53.116)
kids are in daycare, husbands away, I can go that day, I'm not working. That day is for Jackie to do what Jackie wants to do and to fill her cup, go for a hike, visit a crystal shop, burn some incense, whatever it is, you know, to just come back to, like you said, me the individual, not me the mother, not even me the wife, not me the friend, me the individual and what do I need? And so I don't know if I'm even answering your question here, Jen, but.
Jen (25:57.215)
Hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (26:21.244)
I don't think there's any one answer, but having the tools to be able to uncover and go, what does my soul need right now? Leave the brain aside for a moment and just settle in, take a few deep breaths. And a lot of the time it's that I need rest or I need to rejuvenate. And how can we achieve that within a few minutes? Even if it's having a quiet cuppa, like you've got the kids for 10 minutes, I'm going outside, please don't disturb me. I need a minute.
Jen (26:30.015)
Mm.
Jen (26:43.551)
Yeah.
Jen (26:50.399)
like that and I almost feel like you're talking directly to me and I need your words of wisdom right at the moment. I'm like my god. What happens if you don't have a partner like how would you help a woman either that has a partner that's away that is a single mum or that's partners just not on board with giving her a break?
Jacqui Somerville (26:53.74)
hahahahah
Jacqui Somerville (27:08.988)
Yeah, it can be really, really tricky, Jen. And there's a lot of different tactics that you can explore. I think the biggest thing, I would say, if there's a mom listening to this is as you hear suggestions, try not to discount them. Like I'm a big advocate for let's try something, review it and adapt it. So if, for example, I mean, a suggestion that I had for a mom recently was her son just wants to be...
with her all the time, you know, that phase of toddlerhood where they just want to be on you. And so she's like, I really want to exercise. This is the thing that I really want to do for me. I'm really finding that hard. We have found that putting on some cosmic yoga for him, they're exercising together, but he gets so engrossed in that she's able to put some headphones on and do her workout and kind of switch off, but he's right there.
You know, so it's like, it might not be the ideal scenario, but if you can find snippets and ways to make that work, then, you know, it's exploring the different opportunities for you. And I think a big part of our power in motherhood as well is building our resilience on some ways accepting that this is what life is like right now. I mean, you can't change that. If you have a newborn baby and they need you,
do you want to change that too? It's like, or is a big piece of the puzzle going, okay, I need more, I also need to work through accepting where I'm at now and doing what I can with what I want now. And oftentimes when you remove the pressure of feeling like you have to train five days a week for 45 minutes or whatever the case may be, then you might be able to settle back and actually enjoy those feeds or those contact naps with your baby and
That can become an activity that does fill your cup. When you can shift it from being, I should be doing something else right now, to this is the thing that I wanna be doing and I'm here in it and I'm present. You know, just those little tweaks can make monumental shifts in our mentality, I think.
Jen (29:20.959)
Yeah, I think on that it's like, it's the typical, not typical, but the comes up all the time of the expect, I don't want it to be this way because I've decided that it shouldn't be this way versus it's the actual not living up to the expectation or what we've projected that that situation should be at this time. So yeah, letting go of what we think it should be like.
Jacqui Somerville (29:42.908)
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Jacqui Somerville (29:48.828)
Yeah, hugely. And I mean, I'm my own example of that. Like I said, I used to train five or six days a week for at least an hour. And now honestly, if I train three times a week for 20 minutes and I'm getting pretty good at being efficient with that time, Jen, and I'm pretty good at coaching my mums, I'm like, we write efficient workouts, we're going to get some stuff done in this time. Like, and I think now, gosh, if you told me five years ago that I would be really stoked with an hour of exercise a week, I would have been like, absolutely no way. But it's enough.
Jen (30:01.183)
Hahaha!
Jen (30:17.695)
Yep.
Jacqui Somerville (30:19.324)
without, it's enough for me to have the health benefits, the mainly mental health benefits are my focus right now, without the pressure. And that's, this comes back to balance, right? For me, if I tried to tip the scale of physical health too much further into more time to gain strength and fitness and all of those things, I would sit in a place of stress in other areas of my life. I wouldn't have time to fill my cup. I wouldn't have the time with my children that I want. I wouldn't have the time.
that I want to invest in my business. So this is my balance right now, three 20 minute workouts a week. And often I'm able to do more than that, but that's my baseline and I'm cool with that. So yeah, there's a lot of unpacking I think in this phase of postpartum, no matter how far through you are and no matter what chapter you're in.
Jen (30:52.959)
Hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (31:11.1)
I know I've got a four year old and an 18 month old and I know some stuff's going to change again. So the challenges are not done. I've been in this long enough to know it's not about to settle down. I mean, I'm sleeping again. But, but yeah, it's, I don't know, resilience in motherhood, I guess, is a whole nother topic, isn't it? And something that can serve us all so well.
Jen (31:20.319)
That's, yeah, it's the next evolution. That is good, always good.
Jen (31:31.903)
Yeah, it's resilience and I always just keep coming back to how do I be the calm in the center of the storm, whether that's my storm or their storm or somebody else, like someone else's shit show that's going on. And when I'm bringing the storm, it's like, okay, I got to fix that. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (31:39.42)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (31:47.612)
I'm just gonna challenge.
Jen (31:51.135)
Jack, what do you do? Like I'm sure that there's either trainers listening that work with moms or moms themselves listening. If you're doing those three 20 minute workouts, what are the priorities in those workouts? And potentially that's not a general question and you're gonna go, it depends on the woman, but what's the process that you go through to figure out what the best three 20 minute workouts are for that person?
Jacqui Somerville (32:04.54)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (32:14.716)
Like you said, it depends on the individual. My number one priority is, and all the real sciencey personal trainers out there are going to be like, my gosh, Jackie, you're missing the point. My number one priority is enjoyment, Jen, because we go back to that activity that fills our cup. If you're going to invest time in moving, I don't want you hating every second of it. And it can come down to the nuances. Like some people love to count their reps. Some people love to put on a timer and switch off.
And I'm like, we figure that out together. This is the test measure adapt portion of coaching with me is let's work out and is 20 minutes ideal for you? What have you got to work with? Have you got equipment? Have you got nothing? Do you like to use equipment? Do you want to get out of the house? Do you want to train outside? Like all of these different pieces of the puzzle. Then probably the next thing after enjoyment, I think that we all need is the endorphins and the endocannabinoids. And that's where I love a 20 minute workout.
because we know moderate intensity for 20 minutes and you're going to feel better than you did before. And for most of us, that's the outcome. I want more energy, I wanna feel better. Like I want that short term win. So yeah, then I try and build in a little bit of intensity where we can safely always so that we're hitting that little rush that you want after your workout, you know? Feeling like you've done a workout because I hear that a lot too. I don't wanna do 20 minutes and feel like I haven't actually.
Jen (33:18.143)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (33:38.748)
changed my physiology. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they vary a heap. I'm like, think I'm in my mind, I'm mentally working through my clients. I'm like, some of them are spending those 20 minutes trying to build their building, their push up strength. You know, we're working through progressions and we're building on all of that kind of focus. And some of them are like, I just want to get fitter. I want to move quick. I want to, you know, so they're all so different. I think that's what I love about it is finding that individual sweet point.
Jen (33:39.007)
Moved. Yep. Yep.
Jen (34:03.263)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (34:08.572)
and helping people uncover different ways of doing things. Just because this is the way you've done things for so many years prior, you know, you did all the HIT classes and things like that, doesn't mean that's how you have to do it now.
Jen (34:19.967)
Yeah, and I think that this something that just clicked for me is when we talk as trainers about what is the most effective workout, it's the most effective for what so the fitness industry again has done this real good job of going exercise is to make you look a certain way. So the most effective workout is the one that those people I don't know who they are the fitness industry in general.
say is going to make you more muscly or leaner. Yeah. And then if you, so then people could be listening to you going, well, that's not an effective workout because that's not going to help her lose weight or that's not going to, and you're like, well, we've already removed that goal. Exactly. We're having deeper conversations and, and removing that, like we're not going for smaller is better.
Jacqui Somerville (35:00.74)
Hmm. That's actually not my intent right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Jen (35:12.287)
Yes, we want to build strength and I'm sure that, you know, when people are ready, there's a, there's a strength component in there for the women that you're working with, but we got to get them to be in a state to be able to hold that strength training or even do that strength training. So yeah, very, very interesting. Like.
Jacqui Somerville (35:17.596)
Absolutely. Yep.
Jacqui Somerville (35:27.964)
Yeah, I think it, and there's two parts to that. While you're talking, my brain's thinking about, there was actually a part of a workshop that we did returning to running postpartum where we talked about pregnancy being your off season. And I think there's a lot of power in considering that if you are in a place where home workouts are your most accessible option right now during motherhood, you can treat this as your off season as well. And honestly, you will be amazed at how what we learn and what we can.
Jen (35:37.567)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (35:56.316)
build on transitions into what you head back into doing energy and transitions back into stronger, more efficient lifts and greater form and all of these kinds of things. You can't negate the nitty gritty work as well. And I had something else to say and now it's disappeared. It will.
Jen (36:14.655)
It'll come back. It'll come back. Yeah, I think that there's, I love the word intuition when it comes to the space of working with, with moms, with women and moms. And I think that the very best trainers in this space pull from the education that they've learned, the research and the evidence that's out there, the kind of hands -on experience, but also have this beautiful way of.
holding space for the woman that's in front of them, even when it's a class of like 10 to 15 people, it's like, I see each and every one of you and I'm going to use my intuition and all the other stuff to deliver the session that you need today. And that is the best thing that you could possibly do. And it doesn't come, it comes a lot more naturally to some people and it doesn't necessarily come overnight. It's definitely something that comes with experience.
but it's one of the things that I remember like as it when I was in the park, it was the thing that got me out of bed. It was the thing that lit me up going, I've got this one session plan, but there's gonna be 15 variations of that today because there's 15 beautiful, amazing humans in front of me and it's my job to deliver to them what they need on that day, absolutely.
Jacqui Somerville (37:26.492)
how they show up today, right? Exactly, not how they showed up yesterday, how they show up today. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, like you say, we wanna get back to a place of strength training. But right now, if I can build your self -worth back up, and if we can rebuild some confidence in your body, in its function, and in yourself as a human, and some self -assuredness.
Jen (37:31.519)
Yeah, and we can break all of the rules.
Jacqui Somerville (37:54.876)
you're going to head back into your strength training phase of life in a much better place than if you just go, this is what I should be doing right now and I'm going to pressure myself or stress myself out to do it. It's like build the foundations. Let's.
Jen (38:05.759)
Mm.
Jen (38:11.167)
Yeah, what would you say to a trainer? Let's say that they're a newer trainer or they've not been working with moms as a demographic for that long. And they, I remember, I'll give you an example and then you can potentially offer your perspective. So I remember being pre -children working with, she was one of my favorite clients, but I thought that as a personal trainer, I had to set goals and we had to achieve them. And usually that looked like achieving something physical or achieving something, what's that word?
Jacqui Somerville (38:20.188)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (38:40.827)
aesthetically, that's the one. Getting smaller is probably what I'm trying to say out loud in a less, less like, in a more appropriate way. And she just wouldn't do it. Like she wouldn't do the things that I wanted her, I wanted her to do, which there's a whole floor in that conversation in the first place. And I remember a pivotal moment for me was she said to me, Jen, I just, I want to train with you because I want to live my life in the way that I want to live it. I want to go out to dinner with my husband. I want to know that I'm staying, staying healthy and moving my body.
Jacqui Somerville (38:41.788)
aesthetic. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (38:54.652)
Yeah.
Jen (39:10.623)
and I'm not trying to achieve all these goals. And that for me was like this big kind of head shift. But what would you say to a trainer that is, you know, it's like, I'm not valid as a trainer if I'm not helping this person to reach a goal. Like, how do we start to reframe that in amongst our fitness industry professionals?
Jacqui Somerville (39:24.444)
Jacqui Somerville (39:31.164)
I would say you're more valid if you hold space for all of the things, you know, and you can bring it back to that example of dieting, which so often as we know ends up yo -yo dieting. They go all in and then they go all out. And so, so often as personal trainers, so many of us start, like you said, like that, where we go, this is what you need to do, X, Y, Z, tick the boxes and let's achieve the goal.
But there's never any exploration or there's rarely any exploration of how do I pivot things when life throws me a curve ball, when my kid doesn't sleep through the night, when all of these, like as we know, motherhood, you can't control so many variables, right? And this is when I say these things thinking, gosh, I hope there's not a pregnant woman listening who's like, you guys are scaring me, but let's keep it real. Everything's going to change. Yes. Yep.
Jen (40:10.623)
Anything, anything!
Jen (40:19.935)
No, these are the conversations we need to have with pregnant women, right? To let go of those expectations and just go, it's going to be a shit show and you're going to be okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (40:25.596)
Yes, it is. You'll survive. Yes, you'll survive and get the support, right? But I think if we pull it back to supporting women and providing them that village and that safe space to make that progress when they're ready, that's the stuff that's going to last.
You know, like, so I'm the, I'm, I, and I say to my clients, I'm your cheerleader. I am your supporter. I will walk alongside you. I will give you the support and the guidance that you ask for. And that I can see that you need. If you want a gentle nudge and some accountability, absolutely. But gentle being the key word there, right? Because slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Like one small step at a time. And let's nail that step or let's.
be educated on that step. So you can take the information that you know about eating a healthy balanced diet and apply it to your life no matter the roller coaster of that day. And so that's where my online coaching is like, I bring in the people, I bring in the dietician. We recently had a anti or a non -diet dietician jump into the fold to talk about what really is a balanced diet. And in really simple terms, how can we strive for that in ourselves?
and for our children. And like I said, it's that education. Then once you understand, they understand the nuances of protein and fats and things like that. And they understand the need for strength training and some cardiovascular training and things like that. The more they learn, the more they have the power to pivot when they need to pivot in life. And that's what motherhood's about, right? We need to be able to pivot and shift and go, as we do as trainers, what is their...
Jen (42:12.511)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (42:13.788)
How are they showing up today and what's the lay of the land today? And then it's the same as mothers. What's happening in my household and in my family today? How is everyone showing up and what pieces have I got to work with? What can I do with that time and with that availability that I have?
Jen (42:29.823)
Yeah, I think you use the word power, which I love. And I think that education is power in all the spaces, right? So if we're talking to trainers that have not got that much experience in working with moms yet, the more educated you become and the more you surround yourself with people that have done that stuff, the more confident and the more power you have in you can look at the more power you have, the more you can step into your power.
Jacqui Somerville (42:58.172)
this.
Jen (42:58.559)
to then pass on that education to a mom who then steps into her power because she now understands her body, understands what's going on, has the autonomy to choose what is right for her on any given day.
Jacqui Somerville (43:08.284)
That's right. And then it comes full circle Jen, right? If we're teaching a mother to understand great nutrition, movement and a balanced life of wellness, what is she role modeling for her children? Exactly what we want them to achieve, right? So I'm like, let's just teach people, let's support people, let's educate and let's give you the tool bag so that you can go, right, today I need this tool, that tool, that tool.
Jen (43:39.743)
Yeah, I like it. I'm slowly chipping away at giving my teenagers now the tools of exercise because they're both of them. It's interesting. So I've been, I trained, I've trained their whole lives and both of them now are pushing back a little bit more so my son than my daughter on I learning exercise if I have to kind of scenario. And it's really interesting that I just hope that.
Jacqui Somerville (43:48.764)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (43:59.068)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (44:08.959)
I'm giving them the tools as they get older to draw on that when they then choose to. And it's this hard balance again between saying to them, well, you need to exercise because you need to move your body versus here's a tool, use it if you want to. And it's like, I feel like you need to use it now. It's really interesting as they get older. Well, yeah. And they stop like role modeling in the same way as little kids do. And,
Jacqui Somerville (44:25.98)
I know! You're like, I can see from the outside looking in that this would help!
Yeah.
Jen (44:37.599)
Yeah, it's a real interesting balance of, did I do something wrong? Do you know what I mean? Like it's why are they not just wanting to exercise all the time or why are they? But anyway, I know that I ate a lot of shit in my late teens and early twenties, but I went back to the healthy eating habits that my mom had installed in me later on in life. I've also bypassed some very unhealthy eating habits that we were talking about earlier. But anyway, I digress.
Jacqui Somerville (44:57.5)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (45:02.364)
bit yeah
Jen (45:05.695)
Jack, I'd love to understand what about comparison? What do you say to women, moms that are comparing themselves to other people?
Jacqui Somerville (45:16.348)
comparison of the thief of joy, isn't it? Comparison? that's a big one, Jen. It's like, again, I would come back to putting those thoughts of comparison or treating them in the same way that we treat self -deprecating thoughts. Like, you can't always control your first thought, but then shifting, and I think it's Molly that says shifting from negative to neutral.
Jen (45:18.879)
It is.
Jen (45:42.495)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (45:43.004)
and maybe eventually neutral to positive, but trying to shift from a place of, you know, body negativity or comparison to going, well, I'm doing as good because of X, Y, Z, or trying to reach that place. It's like, well, can we go just reframe that thought and go, actually, I'm in a place of comparison right now and I don't need to be because we are all in different places. We are all dealing with different scenarios.
And I don't know if I'm going to remember the saying. Isn't there a saying where it's like, we might all be sailing a similar sea, but we have different boats and different oars or something like that? Yes.
Jen (46:17.151)
that's it. Yeah, we're all in the same ocean, but we're not all in the same boat. So it's like you could, we're all in the same storm, but we're not all in the same boat. That's it, yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (46:25.372)
That's right. So it's like, even though you might be comparing yourself to someone else who is in motherhood and who has the same number of children to you and things like that, you still really don't know what's going on beneath the surface. And that's energy that's better invested in your own wellness, you know, and your own, it can be really tricky to shift out of comparison. I've been there as well. But again, it's just reframing that first thought, practicing, practicing, practicing.
Jen (46:54.207)
Yeah, I read a book recently called The Gap and the Gain. Have you? It's a really good book. I'm trying looking around to see if there, it's actually, it's only on my phone. So when I said read, I listened to the book, because that's what I do. But it talks about, are you living in the gap or are you living in the gain? And for a lot of us, and I'm a big, big culprit of this, of going, well, I'm here, but I'm not there. So I'm going to live in this space between being here and there versus when I,
Jacqui Somerville (46:57.852)
Yes?
Jacqui Somerville (47:05.66)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (47:19.612)
Yeah.
Jen (47:23.743)
look back and go, well, I'm here, but I used to be there. And that takes away one comparing to other people, which you do when you're living in the gap, you're comparing to what you feel like your standards should be versus others, whether it's motherhood, whether it's the money you earn, the house you live in, the, I don't know, what do you have all of those things. But for the majority of us, if we could look back and go, shit, like five years ago, all I wanted was a baby. And now I have the baby. And it might be a bit of a shit show, but look how far we've come.
Jacqui Somerville (47:31.228)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (47:42.172)
Yep.
Jacqui Somerville (47:52.668)
But exactly.
Jen (47:53.343)
versus I wanna be out of the shit show or from a business perspective. Like if I, you know, I'm constantly again going like, I wanna make this massive impact in the world and I'm not, it's not going fast enough and I've not, there's not enough. But then I look and go, there's, you know, all of these amazing humans that over the last three or four years have chosen to come on this road. Like, look how far we've come. And it's a very different head space to live in the gap.
Jacqui Somerville (47:56.668)
and
Jacqui Somerville (48:16.636)
Yeah.
Jen (48:22.591)
or to live in the gain. And it's tricky to keep going. But again, it's that recognition. What is my, I'm in the gap. I'm in comparison. How do I shift that? And I guess what you just said around moving the thought from the negative thought to the neutral and all the positive. Yeah. The gap, yeah. I'll have to send you a link with the book. Tell us a little bit about how you manage the balance in, cause...
Jacqui Somerville (48:22.78)
Mm -hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (48:39.42)
Yeah, I love that the gap with the gain. I'm going to remember that one. Yes.
Jen (48:52.095)
Right at the beginning of this conversation, you said that you have 32 opportunities to exercise. And for people that don't know, opportunities for exercise in our world is how many spots you have available for they are moms to train with you. And you've almost sold that out. And the number one goal is to get oversubscribed and sold out. Now it gets easier as you have all the layers working, but it's not easy to get there, especially when you're juggling.
Jacqui Somerville (48:57.372)
Mm -hmm.
Jen (49:19.295)
motherhood. So how do you if we go full circle, how do you get to a point where you achieve being almost sold out whilst achieving balance in your world?
Jacqui Somerville (49:20.316)
Mmm.
Jacqui Somerville (49:30.652)
Your favourite word. gosh.
Jen (49:37.535)
Like what are some of the key conscious choices? Maybe that's a good one that you've made to make sure you're achieving that whilst achieving balance in your work.
Jacqui Somerville (49:47.932)
I think for me a big one is being able to segregate when I am in mum mode or family mode and when I'm in business owner mode and clearly blocking out times because it can be so easy to be distracted by all of the other things, especially when you work from home. I'll just put a load of washing on, blah, blah, blah. But being able to switch and go, no, this is my intention and...
I think it's something that you coach a lot on Jen is understanding our values, getting really clear on what your long -term vision is. And then I think probably if I had a big learning from the last three years, it's like trust the process. It's not gonna happen overnight, but keep doing the do, keep doing one step at a time and put in what you can when you can and it will grow.
And as I said to you now, at the start of the conversation, I've been, well, it's our three year anniversary in 10 days of mum and mini fitness. And now, honestly, it feels like I can kind of sit back a little bit. Someone will ask in a community group, I'm a mum looking to return to exercise, for example, where can I take my baby? Or even the question is, there are gym with a great crash around and there will be six or seven, if not more comments saying, Jackie, mum and mini fitness, you need to do this. It's the best next.
the best next step, you know? So I think, yeah, the putting together one later time and you give us all of these resources, you literally tell us in the MUMSAVE membership how to, it's like, just layer them on, just do one by one, keep moving on and it will come. And I think there's such a big call for support and guidance in this space for Mums now, I think.
Conversations like this one we're having today are opening up more conversations to go, well, actually we deserve to be supported. We deserve to invest in ourselves and we need to find that village, you know, where so we're in a world, I'm segueing again, but we're in a world that's so connected yet disconnected that more and more moms are leaning into where can I find some face -to -face or some group connection and where can I find that village for me? So.
Jen (52:04.511)
Hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (52:07.644)
I think the need is definitely out there. Yeah, I don't know, did I answer your question? Not really.
Jen (52:13.791)
I don't know, but I enjoyed listening to it. And what I was like straight up, like it's all the same stuff though, isn't it? It's like when I'm listening to you speak, you have just so beautifully talked the whole conversation around helping moms to do what they can, when they can, whilst taking into consideration their whole life, finding their community. And you've done exactly the same in business. And it's exactly why I do what I do is so that we can take you, who is also a mom,
who is now, I don't wanna say the word managing, nurturing your community that is outside of your family. So you've got a whole space for your family and your community of moms. And it doesn't happen overnight, but it is the way that you do it is by going, what are my life values? How can I give when I can take when I need to, but don't stop and just keep doing that little thing.
Jacqui Somerville (53:09.756)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jen (53:11.839)
every single day and allow it to build over time.
Jacqui Somerville (53:15.836)
Absolutely and I think like we discussed with them in terms of exercise, you know, I've lost my train of thought now. Shifting the expectation, right? Shifting the pressure and the guilt to go, you know, I'm going to be okay with what I can do. We work from a much better space when we're in that mindset, right? I know if I have an office day and I'm like I need to get this, this, this, this, this, this done. I'm like stress head and nothing is flowing.
Jen (53:25.183)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (53:44.604)
my creativity is gone. Whereas if I can sit back and go, you know, here's my list and here's my top three and here's what I'll do when I can find the window, it flows. It just, yeah, remove the pressure, accept, you know, accept and kind of, I think, fall in love with the journey. I don't know, that's one of my, it's one of my biggest values is that this growth is professional development. And so kind of going, well, this
Jen (53:44.639)
Yep.
Jen (53:55.455)
Mmm.
Jen (54:03.998)
Yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (54:11.74)
as in motherhood, as in business, the challenges will continue to come and I will do the best that I can in each moment. And over time you've got a Nellie over subscribed to business.
Jen (54:23.135)
Well, and that's the thing, isn't it? It's like, it's, it's both with your kids and with your fitness and with your business. It's amazing how much you've got done when you take that approach, when you release that pressure that you were talking about earlier around what you should be doing or the expectation of what it should look like and go, well, we just did this little thing today at the gym with your kids in your business and we did this thing tomorrow. And then you look back in a year's time and you go, holy shit, I managed to.
do it all quite beautifully because I released the expectation, allowed myself to nurture me and look at the outcome.
Jacqui Somerville (54:58.332)
Yep, yep, absolutely. It still baffles me when you kind of sit back and look at the gain rather than the gap, Jen, and go, wow, it wasn't a hard slog. I've always been, and I remember the first time we talked on the phone, I was like, I will not hustle. I will not. If you are the kind of coach that wants me to hustle, I am not down for it. I'm out. I've done hustle, and that is not what I want for my life.
Jen (55:00.415)
Very, very cool.
Jen (55:22.751)
I'm out, I'm out.
Jacqui Somerville (55:28.604)
And it still baffles me to go, well, I have a great balance in my life. I have a lot more pride and joy and satisfaction from doing the best that I can with what I have, as opposed to pressuring myself to tick all of the boxes.
Jen (55:50.911)
What does, if you allow yourself to look to the future without the pressure, what does that look like for you?
Jacqui Somerville (55:55.42)
Mm -hmm.
I actually have one of my dearest clients and our friends is studying her. Search three, four, yep, coming to you soon. So we have some plans for expansion both locally. So I'm in Bifid. I teach my classes in Oakford at present. She's in Val Divers, a little bit further south of me. So we're kind of like, you know, hopefully in 2025 we'll be expanding locations.
Jen (56:04.031)
that's exciting.
Jacqui Somerville (56:26.652)
And I really am passionate about the online aspect of the coaching. Like I said, I feel like when you're able to have windows of time that are a bit more one -on -one, we can dive deeper into some of these, the internal monologue and the stories that we've told ourselves and our conditioning and make some big, big changes in that space as well. So I'm excited to continue down that path and grow our Radiant Mums coaching as well.
Jen (56:35.231)
Mm.
Jen (56:51.711)
So if someone did one -on -one coaching with you, what does that look like? You've kind of alluded to a few times, but I'm interested in what they receive or what they, yeah.
Jacqui Somerville (56:56.444)
Yeah, sure. So they will receive all of their tailored programming. Like I said, that's super individual based on time availability, equipment availability, what they actually desire and what they want to gain from their fitness. So that's the pocket that I sit really central in. I have worked with nutritionists and dietitians to create a series of webinars where we can head back to get that.
quality education and information straight from the horse's mouth. So if you're someone who still thinks you want a meal plan, I am not the coach for you. I am the kind of coach that's going to go, what small changes can we make? What achievable changes can we make? And what have you learned about nutrition that you can implement into your life? And I'll support you and hold your hand through those changes. But I'm really proud that we also encompass the holistic view of wellness. So,
I have had a somatic mentor step into the space for a four -part series to understand our nervous systems. And again, I think there's so much power in just that understanding your nervous system and when you are dysregulated and regulated. And then she's provided us with a toolbox of super simple tactics that you can use to help come back to being the calm amongst the storm. So things like tapping, we've explored.
Jen (58:00.799)
Hmm.
Jacqui Somerville (58:20.124)
You know, we've had relationships counsellors in the fold. It's like, to me, I'm listening to what our collective village needs and where, and so often, you probably find the same thing, Jen, within your membership, that there's often a common theme where people are feeling a little bit of...
a barrier or a boundary or a little bit of stickiness. And it's like, well, where can I get the support? And if it's not something I can coach you on, I'm going to get the person that can coach you. Like I don't sit here and say, I have nailed motherhood and all of the parts of it. God, no. But I'm really passionate about getting you in front of the people that can start that conversation. And it doesn't mean to say that in a one hour webinar or in a 45 minute webinar, we're going to solve all.
problems. It's providing enough information that you start to build an understanding and that you can then lean into, well actually, hey, I think I need to explore this more. I think this is what my mind and my body and soul need from me right now. So I'm going to lean a little bit more into working with this person alongside the health and wellness coaching because they come hand in hand. They're not one or the other. They're not, it's not.
Jen (59:25.695)
Mm.
Jacqui Somerville (59:34.556)
physical wellness and mental wellness over here. It's not, you know, it all comes into one fold for your ultimate health and fitness and longevity. So yeah, I think if we're not creating space for those conversations, we're a little bit ignorant for want of a better term. So yeah.
Jen (59:54.143)
Mmm.
Where do people go to find you and the things that you do?
Jacqui Somerville (01:00:01.308)
You can find me on Instagram, on Facebook, mumandminifitness or mumandminifitness .com. The N is an A and D. You can reach out to me wherever you would like, really. Socials is often the easiest one.
Jen (01:00:11.359)
Amazing.
Fantastic. Jack, it's been an absolute pleasure spending the last hour with you. I really, it's got so, it always goes so fast, so fast. It's been an absolute pleasure to spend this time with you, but also to spend time with you inside of MumSafe. It's been awesome to watch you grow your business in a way that supports you push back when you need to move forward when you need to. And I,
Jacqui Somerville (01:00:19.1)
No, I just looked at the clock and I was like,
with us.
Jen (01:00:42.815)
Super excited about where you're at today with your 30, it'll be 32 soon. 32 members, it's absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much for the work that you do in this space for all of your face -to -face clients and your online clients.
Jacqui Somerville (01:00:46.908)
No.
Jacqui Somerville (01:00:56.22)
Thank you, Jen. I can't thank you enough for this space that you've created to hold us both as trainers and business owners and mothers. Like it's, yeah, I just can't, there's no words. I can't tell you how much I have loved the support that you offer, the education that you offer. Yeah, wouldn't be here without you, that's for sure. Thank you, Jen. Bye.
Jen (01:01:09.471)
Hahaha!
Jen (01:01:19.967)
Likewise and my pleasure. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you so much Jack. Bye. Bye.
